Arizona rep claims that forced vaccination is "communist"
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Sounds like a bad joke tbh.
Yeah fuggit, I'm just gonna go start hunting for the Black Materia right now. Might as well get a head start on everyone else.
so does his presidency but it's still there and unironic
You know he has no sense of humor. Multiple people close to him have said he has no sense of humor. What makes you think that he figured it out, somehow, in one specific Twitter posts, sandwiched between angry rants and typos?
This whole anti intelligence movement is giving me a stroke. People are literally advocating for stupidity.
We're at a point where you genuinely can't tell people they're wrong because people have deluded themselves into thinking their dumbfuck ignorance counts as valid arguments.
I don't care how much evidence you have, I done read a thing on the facebook that my buddy greg from work posted and he's a pretty smart guy.
I didn't mean he made a joke, i mean it sounds like a bad joke.
Won't happen. At least not on the Republican side. A fair number of the far-right people outright believe that the Holocaust did not happen, but if it did, the "greedy jews" deserved it. My sister is among them and the /pol/ crowd and I had her explain her beliefs on the Holocaust and the Nazis when it came up once.
If you want the full story as far as she believes:
The Holocaust did not happen. We do not have any definitive proof besides remains of the victims and photographs of their bodies. However, although those have exist for decades longer than any computer and thus cannot be doctored in the same way they could today, the true story is that they starved out of protest. Hitler gave them the option to leave the country and he would not harm them. But, when he enacted the "no Jews allowed" law, all Jews refused to leave and thus were placed into emergency prisons. They were given food but refused it, so they starved. Nothing the guards could do about that. The process was for them to ensure all of them were clean and relatively protected, so they were all given essentially shifts to shower in the totally-not-gas-chamber rooms.
The Nazis had a few bad apples which ruined the public opinion of them for generations to come, but the vast majority just wanted to protect their country. Then other countries stepped in, and isolated Germany. Hitler, cornered, committed suicide rather than giving himself up to foreign officials that had intended to convict him on the lies that the rest of the world had forged and attributed to him.
However, even though a few of the Nazi guards and scientists were horrible people, they only did it to the Jews, gays, and anybody else they didn't like so it was justified. "Only a few" died by the direct hand of Nazi German officials and it was nobody that didn't deserve it.
I'd say forced vax is more totalitarian than communistic but that's just me.
we literally don't distinguish this two here
If my sister believed that shit I'd cut her out of my life and never talk to her again.
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect
union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the
common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of
liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this
Constitution for the United States of America.
Yes, let's make millions of people die from easily preventable diseases, that's clearly what this country wants
Lets face it, no anti-vaxxer has ever presented any arguments that aren't fallacies, "muh opinion!", or straight up ignorance
Man, maybe its just the news reporting it, but it seems that vaccines have gotten a lot more partisan in just a few months. Prior to this year the only anti-vaccers I knew about were Jenny McCarthy and a minor subset of new age health nuts and helicopter moms. Now it seems like there's more and more conservatives jumping onto the wagon using the old Autism excuse, as well as religious excuses due to some of the initial vaccines like MMR being developed through aborted fetal tissue. And now there's the whole "its my body my choice idea" (which is kind of ironic considering they also want to ban abortions).
The issue is forcing people to do it. It says promote general welfare, not enforce it. Having forced state sanctioned vaccinations is arguably a more slippery slope than not. Anti vaxxers are nuts but they are correctly paranoid, it only takes one vaccination that has alterior motives or extreme side effects (it's happened) and the shit hits the fan really quick.
I'd prefer education rather than anything else.
shit lol looks like im lenin now
we've been educating people for a decade and yet somehow we're still having measles outbreaks
It's really not so uncommon, same in Europe. There are always gonna be outliers unless you really feel the need to go full modern day china and strapping people down and sanitize the nation.
I'd rather live in a world with anti vaxxers than a populace and government forcing conformation, even in a health aspect. It's actually very strange hearing Americans call for it at all, it's very un-american land of the free of you to start seriously debating removing peoples freedom of choice.
I'm all for schools essentially making it mandatory, they are in their rights to do that and it's the system used in the UK, we get our vaccinations at school, most of them at least. If a kids gonna put others at risk then by all means let the parents make different arrangements for their education.
60 years ago we were still saying that a lobotomy is the correct treatment for a mentally ill person, because mental health at the time was still very poorly understood. Medicine, like all sciences, is inexact, and there are always variables that can't be accounted for in the current circumstances. This is why a professional doctor who knows his science never makes actual guarantees, because there's always a 1% chance of something unexpected happening even in the case of routine management or treatments. Dr. William Mayo once said that medicine's aim is to prevent disease and prolong life, and its goal is for nobody to need doctors ever again. Blaming doctors for variables out of their ordinary mode of happenstance is based on an individual's ignorance, not because the evil doctor killed your baby/son/daughter/cousin/whatever.
My point is, mistakes happen and treatments have to be perfected bit by bit over time, and sometimes we're going to have unfortunate incidents like vaccine-related deaths. Eventually they did figure out that the thiomersal concentration used as a preservative was too high, so they were able to weaken it and still retain its preservative qualities. In theory we already have a framework laid out for tailoring the requirements of medicines for each individual, the problem is it's currently not practicable for large scale use and expensive in the cases it can be used. But i'll be damned if we see the recurrence of the age of infections killing millions a year because coworker bob thinks facebook is a better information source.
For sure, there are always gonna be issues with the process itself, my only issue is with many people in the thread seriously considering forcing anything whatsoever into another person because of >standards<.
I'd rather not see anymore damage to lady liberty during my time on this earth. Educate to create a better tomorrow, not kidnap kids and inject them with the latest and greatest.
The thing is though the entire antivaxx movement itself is built on a lie. A lie which was, in the words of the dipshit who popularized it, perpetuated so he could gain fame and wealth. For me it's not the freedom that's important, it's the fact that it was based on complete, utter, factual untruth, that matters. His damage done can be quantified in the hundreds of billions, which could've gone to better causes. As far as i'm concerned, he should have been hanged once he confessed that, for the sheer gall of what he did.
Let me know when he does and I'll get us both tickets.
"Forced vaccination" was something pulled out of this persons ass. I'm not even sure how we would go about legislating such a thing, much less enforcement. I don't see forced vaccination as a possibility, and I'm receptive to arguments for why it would be a bad thing.
That said, and no offense to you, but bullshit. The average person who lives in countries where anti-vax movements are popular have more information available at their fingertips than anyone in the history of the world. "just educate people" clearly isn't the answer.
Let's make one thing perfectly clear: many of these people - even on the voter level - know they're in the wrong. They don't care. In the voters' case they just want to screw it all up for everyone else out of spite, because LIBS make them angry for god knows what reason.
when you vaccinate your peasants so they can be healthy and effective workers and not die of polio and that means you win the communism so the world suffers a Bad End (Ending G) and you can paint the moon pink and draw a lenin face on it
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well all government handouts are by definition communist so should be greatly scrutinized, so everyone recieving soup from said kitchens, should be required to have proof they have even attempted to find work
Perhaps if we change their name to climate change, round earth and vaccine vaccines, we can trick the right-wingers
Pushing for vaccinations on the government front isn't communist or capitalist, it's fucking completely divorced from economic ideology and, if you have to pin a label on it, it's authoritarian.
The thing that pisses me off here is that there used to be no need for any sort of pressure to vaccinate. It's such a widely-available preventative measure that, in the years past, people knew was good for them. I'm not sure whether to blame that asshole's doctored studies, or the way falsehoods tend to propagate on the internet for this situation, or a combination of the both, but we shouldn't NEED to push people to do what is observably better for them. It's so incredibly frustrating, because yes, I can agree that having government pressure to undergo a medical process pushed upon the populace is a questionable thing in any circumstance, but on the other hand we didn't used to need that sort of pressure. What the hell happened!?
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