Merkel's successor rejects criticism over anti-LGBTI joke - Polidicks

Guys, I'm trying to get where the major disagreement is. Is this just another debate about absolute free spech?

Most times when someone laughs something off they are dismissing it. Pointing out the absurdity of something is one thing; believing it to be absurd is quite another. One is "I can't believe this is happening" and the other is "I can't believe this is happening" Oh, I very much doubt that. What I know is that such small groups tend to fail to find much ground as it's difficult to find people who share the same opinion until you convert them to your sort of thinking. Contrarily, if you give them a stable, solid, foundation then you have already solved one of the fundamental problems with such an extremist set of viewpoints finding purchase in a larger societal consensus: that people of all walks will hear it from sources they were already paying attention to. This is absolutely not reflective of the actual situation we're presently in. They are not 'all locked up in their echoboxes' because they are being aided by massive networks of bots and foreign adversaries who are spreading their message well beyond those echoboxes. In fact, by spreading further and further in echoboxes without being challenged by anything that they're all watching (e.g. Fox News and little else other than the occasional Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson) they are all the time more convinced that 'they are right' and that the other reality outside their bubble 'is fake and wrong'. It is because they aren't being challenged that they remain secure in their views; they aren't being challenged because they are being protected.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the United States, the most populous cities and areas, where people interact with each other the most, is where they are most progressive. Meanwhile, the more isolated communities, of different scales all over the country, tend to be right-leaning. This would illustrate how interaction breeds understanding, and how isolating people or groups does not discourage them of their opinions. They mostly protect themselves and are content in keeping away from opposing minds. They have become harder to challenge because they've retreated into communities that agree with them instead of insulting them or forbidding them to speak their mind. You've gotta admit that whatever's been going on with that, hasn't worked out well in the last few years. Far from it. I'm sure we're both tired of this debate, and it's time it comes to a close. Honestly it's been instructive for my part, and I will think on your views.

I think there are some assumptions about what you mean by "allow" and "enforce" that might color how strictly some are defending the right to free speech. If by "enforce" you mean through governmental action, then that's textbook authoritarianism.

Enforce through societal pressures.

Imagine ever thinking that authoritarianism would benefit a powerless minority group.

Given that a group of people receiving backing and support from an authoritarian government by definition cannot be powerless... congrats, you've presented a completely worthless tautology.

How the hell in our reality would a law like that come about to be passed. Why would they seek out to do that for this particular group in the first place? That's what I'm asking, not the vacuum concept of if doing authoritarian things for a minority group is actually authoritarian.

Because they would want to...? Why do you assume that authoritarianism only takes place through laws?

"The universe is infinite so anything can happen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" isn't a real answer. And are you just being pedantic for me not saying state coercion or is there some other powerful body I don't know about.

Because you seem to view "minorities" as helpless creatures who can do no harm as opposed to a demographic. You assume that authoritarianism could never benefit the minority because, what, minorities can't be bad? Did the Nazi Party start out with majority support, or did they only become authoritarian when they achieved majority support?

Christ do I really have to clarify by minority I mean protected identities like gender, racial, religious, and sexual minorities? You know, like the group at hand? Is your whole bitch fit here seriously because you couldn't infer that.

This is kind of a matter of punching down vs punching up, shitting on people who are already in a usually marginalized place in society is kind of poor taste and justifies further marginalization.