Time to choose: UK Parliament set for crucial vote on May's Brexit deal
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The entire world exclaims "DUH!"
It's pretty clear to me that No Deal should be an active choice, not something that can happen accidentally. Article 50 should be automatically revoked by law if we get within 1 day of No Deal, unless parliament votes to go ahead with it.
"Wow, it's fucking nothing"
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/237630/ff862416-1fbc-449b-ab47-4ce9aef2201b/2019-03-26 21_30_51-Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU. - Petitions.png
The "80% of people voted for parties [...] who committed in their manifestos to upholding the election result" acts as if people who wanted to remain had much of a choice.
Undermining confidence in democracy when the government is repeatedly ignoring all public sentiment and has committed itself to force Brexit, even if it has no fucking idea how, that's goddamn rich.
What's the point of having confidence in the UK government when the only thing you can be confident of is that they've become an austerity apocalypse cult and they won't even acknowledge that they've lost the majority in Parliament..
Pretty sure only those of us north of the Wall had a choice to vote for a party that has committed to stopping Brexit, actually. Which is pretty fucking sad.
Jesus why are there so many options that overlap, options that are completely unfeasible (such as K) and two options for no deal? this'll be... Fun?
And then all the motions receive an equal vote share or an insufficient majority to be worked on or an option the EU finds unworkable and then we really are bollocked.
Do we know how voting works? Do they just pick one option each or is there a different system in place?
The default thing if we couldn't get a deal should have always been revoke article 50
They will all receive a ballot paper with each option on it with the option to vote Yes or No on each option. They can vote for one of them, some them or all them.
Gotta love 'attempt to manage no deal' like that's different to 'no deal'
Only about half a dozen options will actually be selected by the Speaker to go ahead to a vote
like 6 of those options are worse then just not brexiting in the first place or are hard brexit with a nice bow on it.
like the insanity of supporting a norway+ model while you're a full fledged member state already is mind boggling. because of one very close vote britain is going to voluntarily give up a massive amount of its power and go to the back of the bus
Can't wait for the speaker to exclude the 'second referendum' and 'revoke article 50' options
one of them will be labeled "make things worse" and will pass
Speaker has been pretty much doing his job of being unbiased as much as the PM hates it.
At least that might make mildly entertaining TV!
https://youtu.be/rbtcKb2xsEA?t=121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TWYOENB8og
let's hope they've got enough crystals so they can get that no brexit threshold
Making a brexit that pleases both remainers and leavers is impossible.
The revised indicative votes as selected by the speaker:
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/237630/d206fbc5-e22f-4c92-8835-15e1d7f1d9a3/D2prShJX0AAuyOW.jpg
The Speaker of the House has narrowed down the list of motions to a collection of 8, as copied from the BBC website they are as follows:
No Deal (B) – John Baron (Conservative)
Agrees to leave the EU on 12 April without a deal.
Common market 2.0 (D) – Nick Boles (Conservative)
Government joins the European Economic Area (EEA) through the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), and negotiates a temporary customs union until alternative arrangements can be found.
EFTA and EEA (H) – George Eustice (Conservative)
Remains in the European Economic Area (EEA), and applies to re-join the European Free Trade Association (EFTA).
Declines to form a customs union but seeks “agreement on new protocols relating to the Northern Ireland border and agri-food trade”.
Customs union (J) – Ken Clarke (Conservative)
Enshrine the objective to form a customs union in primary legislation.
Labour’s alternative plan (K) – Jeremy Corbyn
Negotiate changes to the withdrawal agreement and the political declaration to secure Labour’s position, and pass these objectives into law.
Revocation to avoid no deal (L) – Joanna Cherry (SNP)
If the Withdrawal (Agreement) Bill has not been passed before exit day, the government will ask MPs to approve no deal. If this does not pass, the government will revoke Article 50.
Confirmatory public vote (M) – Margaret Beckett (Labour)
Government cannot implement or ratify the withdrawal agreement and the political declaration unless and until they have been approved in a referendum.
Contingent preferential arrangements (O) – Marcus Fysh (Conservative)
Malthouse Plan B: The UK makes its budgetary contributions to the EU to the end of 2020 and agrees with the EU a period of two years in which UK goods have full access to the EU.
