Time to choose: UK Parliament set for crucial vote on May's Brexit deal
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"MPs reject all options" is the BBC's current headline.
Does this mean they rejected all answers and we're now going to submerge the whole country and become a Randian dystopia?
So wait, I'm confused (not for the first time in this fucking process). Despite the fact that leave won by a narrow margin in the original referendum, do these votes require a clear majority for one option to be considered the winner?
Just a majority, which none of them got.
I don't really blame the people who abstained on the Customs Union vote, if that is what we decided to go with it would be fucking idiocy. At that point we absolutely should revoke Article 50 and just stay in the EU. Otherwise we'd be in the same position as we are now but with no say in EU policy, which is just daft.
It's still pretty hilarious that May is now using her own departure as an incentive
"Hey I know you don't like the deal, but if you vote for it I'll finally fuck off, that's gotta be worth it right?"
I don't generally vote, because i'm firmly of the opinion that I am nobody and my opinion is worthless, but next elections I'm going and voting in someone else out of sheer spite. What a bunch of arseholes.
This is the type of attitude that gets us into these positions in the first place.
I have confidence issues. I've always felt like voting is sort of pissing in the wind and I feel like my individual vote isn't going to make a difference.
I understand if everyone felt the same way then democracy wouldn't work, and I know it's a bad thing. I'm not saying I'll go and vote blindly but I feel like if I'm going to vote for anyone it'll be for a party that hasn't had a chance to ruin the country yet.
So I'm a bit confused. I'm not sure I know how the options they voted for are related to May's deal, but if they vote for another deal, what will happen?
Considering it's not the deal they already negotiated, what will the EU do about that?
The EU did say no more negotiation.
If it was something negotiable, and there was shown to be a majority for it, and the government agreed to negotiate for it, then the EU would presumably be willing to entertain a longer extension to allow time to sort it out. They want a way out of this mess as much as we do
With rejecting all options, no deal is pretty much inevitable at this point. EU is not going to delay it any further than the 12th and May's deal is never going through a third time which is the only way to get a longer extension.
I hope one of the options for Indicative Vote 2 on Monday is that the House approves the PM's deal subject to a referendum.
At this point im starting to think brexit is a russian plot to make people lose hope in the concept of democracy because this is a fucking joke now
It was probably a Russian plot to sow division in the EU and weaken the UK. The failure of democracy is just an added bonus!
It's definitely a laissez-faire deregulatory capitalist takeover disguised as nationalism.
President of the EU seemed to want a second referendum to go ahead, so seeing as that had the largest amount of yes votes they might push for that as a stipulation to a long extension if may decides to fuck around again.
Here's hoping they'll do that.
I dunno if the EU will strong arm such a thing in if it falls flat on monday, but at this stage of the game lord knows what can happen.
like we've reached a point where the actual break up of the UK is one potential, probable path. That alone blows my mind.
It'd be amazing if England ends up squirting itself out of the EU all by itself, finally destroying the rest of it's precious empire while Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland all stay in the EU. And by amazing I mean OMGWTF.
A what if timeline:
Hard Brexit/no deal happens
SNP hates this, proceeds to call ind-ref 2
Passes, Scotland starts process.
General election is called
Plaid cymru gains a majority in wales after public loses confidence in main parties
PC demands EU replacement funding from Westminster, denied due to cost of border arrangements with both NI and Scotland or W/E
PC holds indi-ref
Momentum from Scotland's leaving helps it pass.
From there would be totally beyond uncharted waters
THERESA MAY ANNOUNCES MEANINGFUL VOTE 3
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47740158
...So when do we get to vote? Fed up of everyone else getting multiple do-over's.
You don't, you fucking pauper. Leave it to the experts who know what they're doing. Please ignore all our failed parliamentary votes; we're still devoted to upholding the will of the people.
So yesterday's votes weren't meaningful?
They've confirmed that this vote will be 22% more meaningful than the last one, which was already an astounding 46% more meaningful than the first one. Meaningfulness levels have never been higher
"22% of 0 is still 0"
Non-binding referendum
Rife misinformation and general lack of understanding amongst public
Extremely slim majority
Potential Russian influence
Potential profit-motives for instigators
Options on execution ranging from "The same but with no say" to "fuck it all off and just wing it"
Default on no agreement being reached is "wing it" because "Will of the people" - 2 years out-of-date
Resistance to second referendum - ie confirming "Will of (52% of) the people"
Those MPs who are remotely still capable need to grow a spine and eat the shit they'd have coming from the daily rags - deserved by this point - for entertaining any element of this entire trainwreck. The rest shouldn't be allowed to preside over a fucking corner shop let alone a constituency, much less the country as a whole.
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