Mueller delivers report on Russia investigation to Attorney General
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So what happens if Trump did commit crimes and the investigations are still ongoing? If that's why they can't conclude what he did and did not do then a redacted report still won't show that.
At the very least all members of Congress need to see the unredacted report so they can report whether there are indications of crimes. Better still would be a full unredacted public release.
She also said before the Barr letter even came out that Barr was going to run the spin cycle on full blast.
I don't pay attention to this propaganda of which you mention. I just see them as the ones who haven't completely lost their minds... yet. I don't fully agree with them on many things either.
You are all just in full denial mode. Holding out for something that's never coming. The nothing burger has been served. The 4 page summary was pretty cut and dry on that.
We haven't read the report itself yet, and there are more investigations still ongoing. We won't know what did and did not happen until this is all over, and we're probably years away from that.
You're that desperate for an exoneration, aren't you? Tell me, what makes you want it so bad?
For Trump, a Year of Reinventing the Presidency
"I think he is doing ok. It has been great seeing the media lose their
minds on a daily basis. Grasping at things not even Alex Jones would
think are credible. He is doing things his way, keeping election
promises and not taking any shit. That is what got him elected.
Looking forward to the next 3-7 years."
Everyone just read this post and you can safely ignore any further responses by Sgt. Sickness.
You're welcome.
Isn't the "nothing burger" line popularized from places like Breitbart?
Remember when the White House wanted to get the report first to block parts of it? Why would they want to do that if he didn't do anything wrong?
Once again hoping for an outcome that won't ever materialize. All these wasteful and costly investigations you would think after two years something would surface but no. You all have been in denial since election night. It wasn't that the dems treated a huge voting block like shit and pushed a lot of their own voters to the right. No it was the damn russkies. Now the truth is coming out and you still can't accept it.
I'm holding you to this when the actual report releases.
22 months of Investigation and over 30 indictments leads to a 4 page summary saying " ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "? That doesn't add up at all. Whether Trump is innocent or not, the report should be made public and not spun by anyone for anyone else's agenda.
Weren't the investigations actually making profits from various methods, such as collecting assets? Or, is that "propaganda"?
Man I hope to god you don't push for Hillary to be investigated ever.
So basically what I’m getting from this is there won’t be any impeachment proceedings because the scope of the investigation is too massive to feasibly conduct by the end of the first term?
A good thread that has the rundown on all the shady shit Trump has been crossed up in outside of the Mueller investigation, if you want a rundown on why Trump isn't totally cleared even if the Mueller report doesn't specifically incriminate him.
https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1109906361524068352
https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1109906369510035457
I don't think Barr would really put a fuckton of spin or outright editing here; a lack of either conviction or exoneration is unsurprising. News outlets across the internet have been warning for months that the report is unlikely to conclude more than was already available in public files or ongoing investigations.
Ofcourse, the propaganda machine of the right simply ignores the giant treasure-trove of wholly criminal and corrupt actors proven already to have surrounded Trump.
In many ways, he is like a criminal boss; there's rarely any direct evidence to pin against him as he systematically destroys any evidence he interacts with, and he speaks in suggestions and coded/biased language rather than direct orders; all while a huge amount of people in his orbit take the fall or him time and time again. Investigations like Deutsche Bank, Tax Evasion scandal, Russian tower, etc all heavily point to this.
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1109927464590032897
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1109901022711959553
There's my first and second choices for the next president of the united states telling it like it is.
Sounds like Benghazi
I mean, there's already plenty of publicly available information, confirming that yes in fact Trump's Campaign(including his own son) met with Russian agents, and Russia HAS as a matter of fact meddled with many facets of the US election, from datamining american voters, misinformation, and meddling with election software(the records of which republicans, "accidentally deleted")
So forgive me if I don't take the word of a biased trump yes-man, that trump himself put in place.
There's too much publicly known information -- including things these morons have themselves admitted -- for there to be no crimes or impeachable offenses found
You don't even need offenses.
The entirety of the shutdown was Trump failing to govern. That is a literal core reason why the Impeachment process exists and its not going to be used.
The same William Barr that advised Bush Sr. in the pardoning of people involved in Iran-Contra, too, really shows respect for the rule of law /s.
Correct assuming the investigation has been legitimate and not compromised in any way
I am honestly a bit surprised Mueller wasn't able to find enough evidence of collusion to at least recommend indictment or name Trump an unindicted co-conspirator - not to mention indictments for the Trump family members who were more directly in touch with Russian agents. Considering the amount of evidence that's in the public view, I expected Mueller to be able to find more than enough. Assuming Barr isn't outright lying about the contents of the report (I would not put it past him), I expect it must have been a very close thing - enough to impeach, but not enough for a criminal indictment, and as Special Counsel he is only supposed to be concerned with the latter.
That said, I always thought focusing so singlemindedly on the Russian collusion aspect was a bad idea. It's not even the most pressing reason to impeach him from office - first is the absolute incompetence and outright malice, second to that is the blatant graft and emoluments violations, and third is how Trump seems to prioritize our national enemies (such as Russia) over our own national interests, regardless of whether he's doing it as part of a quid-pro-quo for aid during the election. It literally does not matter why Trump cares more about helping Russia than helping California or Puerto Rico - he does, and he acts on that, and that alone should have had him kicked from the Oval Office in his first year.
I do still have some hope the report has some major revelation that can force an impeachment. That'll be very tough with the Senate the way it is, and a vague "he probably obstructed but we can't prove it" seems unlikely to cause riots in the street.
But I'm kind of resigning myself now to another year of Cheeto Mussolini. It falls to us voters once more to do what Congress can't or won't.
People may be voting posts like this sad, but I honestly think that's where things stand right now as well. The full report likely just includes a similar overall summary as Barr has presented it, along with further explanation of the indictments already presented to the public, which aren't going to be too different from public records already available. I hold out hope that Barr is for some reason lying, but it's very likely that with the pressure to release the contents in full that Barr wouldn't outright lie. This was a probe about fairly narrow charges compared to the broader array of corrupt activities trump has presented with.
problem is, this is the tweet equivalent of dogshit
they need to shut the fuck up, or actually provide details: not do this "oH boY it's REAL BAD GUYS man IF ONLY YOU COULD SEE IT"
stuff like this absolutely obliterates confidence in reporting - there's so little detail to the posts that i could have fucking written it
Burning sources is the best way to stop being a journalist.
I actually kind of hope Barr isn't outright lying (just spinning like a fucking top). Because the only rational reason I can think to straight-up lie is scary - that the truth will become irrelevant before it comes out. Some sort of false-flag attack or staged disaster, perhaps, to distract attention and trigger a rally-round-the-flag effect, or maybe just declare Trump king and do away with any pretense of democracy.
To be clear, I think that is extremely unlikely to happen - Trump's just too much a coward to make risky plays like that. And even if Barr is lying, the priors are very much in favor of "they're just too committed to the con to give it up without a fight" instead of some sinister conspiracy. It might not be rational to doom his own career to buy Trump another few days at best, but I have not once accused the Trump regime of being overly rational.
I wish I still had the one gif with the guy passing out Optimistic ratings
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