New Mexico officially replaces Columbus Day with Indigenous Peoples Day - Polidicks

Again, as I already said, not all Amerindians were peaceful either. Some even embarking on genocide of other tribes themselves. Generally in making a new holiday, it's given its own day, not replacing another. As I already said, if you want to rid the ideas of Columbus's personal violent history, why not just turn the day into a wider scope promoting exploration? That's irrelevant. Not only are there many other holidays that are not celebrated (MLK Day, Presidents Day, Patriot Day, Flag Day, etc), there is zero evidence that this new Indigenous Peoples Day would be any different. If it is just as uncelebrated as Columbus Day, should we then get rid of that too?

You're not really refuting my points, and that feels like it's in bad faith. You're giving no reason why replacing it is bad just that it shouldn't happen, you're also saying that it wouldn't be celebrated when I know quite a few people who are extatic over the change. People have historically been using columbus day in classrooms to teach the myth of columbus, much as teachers use black history month and MLK day (or the days surrounding it) to talk about MLK. You're lumping the atrocities committed by various peoples in various parts of two continents that took place over millennia together in order to condemn them all, which seems unfair to people like the Paiute , the Iroquois Confederacy, or Pueblo who would be among those being celebrated or acknowledged by a holiday. Aditionally dude. Come on. You know that it's not JUST because nobody celebrates columbus day that I want it gone, it's the combination of that AND him being a prick, something that you've agreed on. I only ask if anyone celebrates it because for the life of me I can't figure out why people hang onto this holiday so much. Please don't pick apart my arguments our of context for petty shit like that, it's rude and you're smarter than that. I hope.

Do you not realize the ginormous flaw in equating "Columbus" and "Explorers" to literally all Indigenous Peoples? Are you at all aware that one refers to a specific individual who was a slaver, the second refers to a specific subset of colonialists who helped perpetrate genocide, and the third is almost as broad as can be? "Not all Amerindians were peaceful either" but you sure as hell are ready to frame the celebration of Amerindians in its entirety as a celebration of violence, if it means you get to make the argument that it's the same as Columbus day. Nevermind the fact Columbus day exists because of an eurocentric, historically revisionist perspective that glorifies colonialists as discoverers, whitewashes their atrocities, and paints their violence as a tragedy perfectly excusable by their civilizing of the "savage man". There is an unending plethora of contributions from Amerindians to be commemorated without needing to praise Montezuma. What "contributions" by Columbus do you think deserve that treatment? As has been asked three times already, why do you think a slaver, whose entire cultural relevance is based on an inaccurate narrative laden with white supremacy, deserves a commemorative date to begin with?

I see what you're doing here, now is not the right place nor right time to bring it up. Conquistadors and pioneers are not a good foil to build a modern argument on.

Because it's a symbolic gesture Overwriting Columbus day is a direct acknowledgement of that whole colonialism and genocide thing and, much much more importantly, an acknowledgement that there is a long and awful history of historical revisionism and cultural erasure of indigenous peoples and the way they've been treated by colonizing empires. An acknowledgement that that shit didn't just stop and is still persisting right up to this day. Genocide isn't all rape and murder. A much bigger part of genocide is erasing a people's culture and history, more often than not by replacing it with something else. Such as your own set of myths and legends about, say, a great explorer who came to savage lands in search of Truth This is literally the Disney's Pocahontas understanding of indigenous people's relationship with colonizing cultures. Trying to pretend like the two are even remotely comparable is just plain bad history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBD61skoMk8

This is your brain on whataboutism. Might as well get rid of black history month too since not all black people were peaceful. Columbine was a pretty clear cut genocidal monster there's really no way around that. To try to equate that to Amerindians as a whole is laughable and implies that the Amerindians were collectively a culture of genocidal monsters. You and the usual suspects rating the article dumb need to get over the fact that having a holiday for this guy is a shitty thing.

fuck I know I'm super late and this video is nearly thirty minutes long BUT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw8c6TmzGg tl;dw Columbus wasn't remotely as bad as everyone thinks he was, half the shit attributed to him is massively exaggerated or straight made up

Maybe this isn't as clear cut as I thought, but "And that's what the natives were, peasants, not slaves.They were forced to work against their will, but nobody owned them, nobody could buy or sell them." I'm confused.

Well peasants would be paid for their work, while slaves wouldn't. Peasants throughout Europe however still had little to no choice on what work they got to do.

they would be subjects of the crown, effectively a colony of Spain (Castille at the time)

Yeah I mean it's not like indigenous people in the americas exist anymore, right? :v

I don't really agree with him, just pointing out what it was he was saying

I get that, I'm simply driving the point home that the two holidays wouldn't be equivalent.

We should have no holidays!

Enlightened centrist here, I think half of the year should be holidays.

Higher-conciousness-centrist here, for every holiday celebrating a good person, we should have an equal holiday celebrating an evil person, to get both sides of the story.

Why not Leif Erikson Day? http://res.cloudinary.com/dk-find-out/image/upload/q_80,w_1440/A_OVR-394360_vi82aq.jpg