• Transgender ban goes into effect
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/12/politics/transgender-troop-ban-starts/index.html
Red meat for his base.
good news for thousands of future draft dodgers.....
When a Democrat next takes office, every one of his appointees needs to be purged.
On the plus side.... https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1883/9dc8c508-1650-4eb2-8f81-632ab598d020/image.png
Makes sense, trans soldiers are simply too powerful for the modern battlefield. They must be contained or we face an apocalyptic scenario. Here's an artist's depiction of what that might look like. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/170685038260649984/566323773050060810/ddddd.png
As per Mattis' recommendations. This was expected, unfortunately.
It's well known that trans people have the ability to end entire civilizations. I know because I watched some Very Rational Youtubers about it. I am glad that someone is finally barring these dangerous menaces to society from taking advantage of our socialized military education!
All jokes aside, this is a huge civil rights violation and needs to be fought extremely hard until it's overturned.
Donald Trump is the commander in chief of the army and has broad executive order authority. The 46th will sign a repeal order the second they get in office. This is Trump doing what his base wants. "hurting the people he needs to be hurting.
assuming that 46 isn't as far-right or trump, or farther
Trans soldiers celebrating the election of bernie sanders and the end of the ban circa 2020 https://youtu.be/LDU_Txk06tM?t=75
I'm willing to bet it'll get worse. Trump being in power has only emboldened these assholes.
It's also Trump doing what Mattis wants.
This is going to be sounding weird but I just want to know if people would agree with me on this statement : No person willing, and physically able, should be prevented from fighting for their country or the countries and protection of others should they choose to.
Well, Prince Harry was in the British military and many credible sources suggest that he is FTM, and the recent collapse of Britain can only be attributed to this. Evidence enclosed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cnrKsuhOgc Yes, this is real - people are really this retarded.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/114748/67bac840-c85b-48d2-b346-4940043b2d63/image.png what the fuck is this any of it This argument of "well x person is actually FTM/MTF" is disgusting. What does it matter if they are? Why is this a gotcha? Does it make them any less of a person? According to this comment section, it does. Nice to know we still have subhuman trash like this in 2019. Speaking of subhuman trash! The ban blocks individuals who have been diagnosed with a condition known as gender dysphoria from joining. Transgender individuals can serve, but only if they meet the standards of the sex they were assigned at birth. I genuinely have no idea what's the purpose of this ban. Like, the one argument you could pull out is "mental instability due to hormone treatment and the general unhealthy state of mind that comes with being assigned the wrong gender at birth", so it's nice that the army only allows people who haven't gone through any of the steps to become the opposite sex, so that they may peak in their gender dysphoria, having a breakdown and being discharged. This is a first-world nation, in case you forgot. This is like the third paragraph and it's immediately obvious that this ban was done for no other reason than to appeal to the transphobes of the USA. Genuinely pathetic. I've heard said that the shitty ass excuse they went with was "medical costs", though I'm sure the pentagon is short on money. Most transgender persons are now disqualified from military service, except: • Service members who have been stable for three years in their biological sex prior to joining the military -- meaning 36 months after surgery and after ending hormone treatments. • Service members diagnosed with "gender dysphoria" after joining the military can stay in the military if they don't require a change of gender and remain deployable. Gender dysphoria involves a conflict between a person's physical or assigned gender and the gender with which the person identifies, according to the American Psychiatric Association. • Service members who were diagnosed with gender dysphoria before the effective date of the policy can still serve and receive medical treatment. • Transgender persons without a gender dysphoria diagnosis or history can serve in their birth sex. Further proving that this is pure transphobia. I thought maybe what it could've also been was perhaps the problems that come associated with post-op post-hrt MTF SRS maintenance (NSFW topic, no images) (vaginal dilation) but it's possible that you don't have to use (NSFW topic, NSFW images) vaginal dilators forever, and even if you do have to do it indefinitely, it becomes less frequent over time. I don't know how post-op post-hrt FTM SRS maintenance is but AFAIK there isn't a need to maintain it with something like this, although in both cases you should only engage in sexual acts after it's been recommended to you (not that you'll be doing much of that in the army). Not all hope is lost as the army still seems to think this is bullshit: The Defense Department can issue waivers on a case-by-case basis. Kurda said Friday that the policy originated in 2017 when "service leadership" approached then-Defense Secretary James Mattis and "expressed some readiness reservations." Over a series of hearings by the Senate Armed Services Committee in 2018, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, now a Democratic presidential candidate, asked the chiefs of staff of the Army, Marine Corps, Navy and Air Force about the issue of transgender troops. All four said they saw no negative effects from transgender personnel serving. "I have received precisely zero reports of issues of cohesion, discipline, morale and all those sorts of things," Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley said at one of the hearings. Mabus said the case being made against transgender troops has been recycled several times through history. As does the House. I'm honestly kind of surprised this went through in the first place. Must've taken some real fucking stretches to be able to get this through. But now at least you won't have transgender people in the army, those who are can't have treatment and otherwise a step back towards trans rights. God bless the United States of America.
The ban does have merit under certain circumstances, in the same vein as the military won't take a lot of people for various medical reasons. There's a lot to consider, medically speaking, with being transexual. But not everyone's going to fall under the same bracket, not everyone's seeking the same course, not everyone's seeking a course at all, and anything in between. Gender Dysphoria on its own has 0 fucking bearing on someone's ability to serve
I'm not well-versed in the side effects of HRT and surgery in that vein, but I don't think it's too common for it to hinder one's ability to do everyday tasks and I consider this decision to be entirely rooted in politics.
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The Republican party cannot function without a target. Once gay people "won" in 2015 with Obergefell v. Hodges the target of hate had to move on. I don't know what they'll move to once transgender people are overall accepted.
Blacks and women and muslims.
Democrats
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I'm gonna talk about the other side of this and say that trans people shouldn't want to fight for a country that treats them the way the US has anyway.
talk about missing the fucking point
This reflects the complete lack of protections that trans people get in just about every lot in life. My company could fire me for "being a tranny" and that would be a valid reason. Same thing for somewhere refusing to serve me, etc. This isn't a fantasy, either. I know someone who was literally rejected from receiving any treatment at the only local doctor's office because they tried to get hormones administered.
I get that you're probably trying to play devil's avocado right now but having government-sanctioned marginalization is definitely not the way to go. This is in the same vein as arguments like "Trans people shouldn't want to work at places that would fire them for being trans" or "Trans people shouldn't want to live in towns that would attack them for being trans". It shifts the blame away from the assholes to the targets and makes it out like there's nothing to be done about people being hateful freaks about things people can't change because of their own inadequacies and insecurities.
I never once said that the ban was in any way a good thing. Only remarking that in a country as ass-backwards as the USA, trans people really shouldn't want to serve.
its valuable to the marginalised to join public institutions, become role models and push past expectations and stereotypes. Trans soldiers, like black police and muslim politicians are all important to their respective communities. It’s a way of taking back power, asserting yourself and opening up possibilities for people who’ll come after you.
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