• FBI arrests head of New Mexico militia group which detained migrants
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-arrests-larry-mitchell-hopkins-leader-of-united-constitutional-patriots-border-militia?via=twitter_page The FBI has arrested a New Mexico man who allegedly illegally detained immigrants crossing the border under the guise of working for the United States Border Patrol. Larry Mitchell Hopkins runs The United Constitutional Patriots (UCP), an armed border militia group that spreads far-right conspiracies and rounds up asylum seekers on the border. The FBI arrested Hopkins Saturday on charges of possessing firearms and ammunition as a convicted felon. Recent video footage released by UCP shows two members holding what appear to be semi-automatic rifles near immigrants, many of them children. The group also peddles conspiracy theories and produces a radio show where members peddle spread information about QAnon, and accuse migrants of associating with ISIS. Hopkins has also claimed to work with Border Patrol and that president Trump has personally asked him about ‘Muslim immigration.’ UCP is only one of several vigilante groups patrolling the southern border with guns. Hopkins is expected to have an initial appearance in U.S. District Court in Las Cruces, New Mexico on Monday.
Watch Trump pardon this cunt
So, what are the charges outside of convicted felon with firearms?
hope this burns border patrol, they've been so cavalier with their attitude towards white terrorism in trump's administration
If he's a convicted felon then that's enough. Doesn't necessarily mean that federal law enforcement is going to crack down on vigilantes, although I'm sure many who don't read past the headline will take it that way, but he called a lot of attention to himself and if he is a felon in possession of firearms then it's pretty cut and dry.
Sounds like false imprisonment and impersonating a federal agent.
Several news sites are already spinning it as a case of him being arrested for being a leader of a militia group, and not just a simple case of him being arrested for having a firearm as a felon.
"What did he do except that obviously illegal thing he did?"
The group also peddles conspiracy theories and produces a radio show where members peddle spread information about QAnon, and accuse migrants of associating with ISIS. Hopkins has also claimed to work with Border Patrol and that president Trump has personally asked him about ‘Muslim immigration.’ What in the goddamn? How? How you can even believe this? Even the "Democrats are actually paying them to come here" insane theory makes more sense that this.
Man, that's a really stupid law.
It really isn't, and it doesn't cover what these morons are doing.
Doing it under the guise of being border patrol, which is a federal agency (thus impersonating a federal officer), is different from a citizen arrest.
As I explained in the other thread, that's fine if it's necessary to protect yourself or your property to some extent. But Joey seems to imply that it would justify detaining immigrants that are no imminent threat.
On a side note, this picture is perfect https://i.imgur.com/h9BBEnR.jpg The dirty trailer with the 70's furnishing, the left guy's general appearance, the right guy's absolutely overdesigned shoulder patch, regular dad-belt in camo pants, indoor sunglasses, slouched back and the way his under-armour shirt really shows off his gut. It's absolutely everything you'd think people like this would be, sans maybe a rebel or totally-not-nazi flag.
I don't know the specifics of citizen's arrests in New Mexico but, if I recall correctly, here in Oregon you're not actually supposed to perform citizen's arrests unless the individual in question poses a danger to those in the area. If New Mexico is the same, which it very well may be a looser law there, then detaining illegal immigrants simply for crossing the border would absolutely not be covered by citizen's arrest laws.
You can't just go around claiming you work for US Border Patrol.
We've found it, gentlemen, a matter denser and more light-devoid than Vantablack!
I think he was wondering if there were other charges, not asserting that there shouldn't be, or that possessing firearms whilst a felon shouldn't be a crime.
Is there any evidence that these guys were actually impersonating border patrol, and not just carrying out citizen's arrests? Because the last thread didn't suggest anything of the sort, and that would radically change the nature/legality of their activities.
I doubt there's evidence to that effect yet available to the public, but it does seem that this is what the FBI are mostly interested in.
The FBI has, what, a 96% conviction rate? I'm not going to bet against them on whether what this guy did was illegal.
It just seems really weird that he'd only be indicted on weapon possession charges if he's actually been claiming to be a federal agent, which is why I was asking. Maybe they're putting together a case before adding the charge; it's probably harder to prove in court than possession.
No offense, but could you please read what I was actually asking..? I'm just trying to figure out what his other charges were.
Kidnapping? Threatening people with deadly weapons? Trafficking someone from one place to another?
it is, because it puts the suspect and the arrestee at undue risk. That's why vigilanties are discouraged in the first place, because at best you can get the wrong guy and at worst you can get the right or wrong guy and die trying to apprehend them.
You can't invoke a citizen's arrest for, like, jaywalking. You have to see them committing an act that puts the public at risk, and at that point if you choose to take the risk the potential consequences are yours to live with.
Not to mention that most places do not have any sort of immunity, qualified or otherwise, if you fuck it up. If the cops have reason to believe that you were committing an armed robbery and shoot you they are protected whether or not they kill you and whether or not you were actually doing what they thought. If a citizen does it, and you weren't, or if their use of force was excessive (many states expressly prohibit lethal force in any capacity that isn't fully defensive), they can be charged for their actions. People keep arguing about citizens arrest in these threads like it's some universal "everyone can be a cop" and that's absolutely not true. The scenarios where you can perform a citizens arrest are extremely narrow in most cases.
Unless they saw these people physically crossing the border they have literally no justification for a citizens arrest. Even if they saw them cross the border a citizens arrest would be of dubious legality. In reality all these morons do is play male dress up in the desert all day while occasionally calling border patrol because they saw some brown people. These fucks have less authority than a mall security guard, and them carrying firearms is legit an absolutely terrifying idea. These dudes make all gun owners and enthusiasts look bad. Its only a matter of time before they get someone killed.
Does he need other charges? Is it implied anywhere that there are other charges?
lmao you didnt even read your own law citation. It actually explicitly states that what these militias are doing is illegal. [quote] 31-4-14. Arrest without a warrant. (1937)  The arrest of a person may be lawfully made also by any peace officer or a private person without a warrant upon reasonable information that the accused stands charged in the courts of a state with a crime punishable by death or imprisonment for a term exceeding one year, but when so arrested the accused must be taken before a judge or magistrate with all practicable speed and complaint must be made against him under oath setting forth the ground for the arrest as in the preceding section [31-4-13 NMSA 1978]; and thereafter his answer shall be heard as if he had been arrested on a warrant.[/quote] Illegal immigration is a federal thing so as far as I'm aware you cant really do a citizens arrest for it. Trespassing on rancher land is not misdemeanor so thats not a justification either. Everything this militia was doing appears to be quite illegal.
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