Joe Biden rejects Democrats’ anger at Trump in call for national unity - Polidicks

If Donald Trump wins a second term in office and some Americans consider the need to emigrate, don’t come here. We don’t want such filthy, hateful attitudes having a say in our poltics.

As a devout believer in compromise, whilst I don't think we should be imprisoning and separating migrant children from their families, I think we should just tie them to jails with very long ropes.

You seem to be grossly removed from both experience and understanding of the situation. Your entire basis was disproven in 2016, yet you're propping it up to be your strawman for today. I'm not sure what you're trying to be angry at, or why, but you're missing the mark.

Coming from the guy who thinks his entire political system is no good except for providing cash to the poor by way of election bribes, I havent seen a single political party here that's as wilfully obstructionist and makes blatant power grabs in the name of a so-called unitary executive theory and evangelist christianity, as the GOP is. At the same time, the democrat party comes off to me as being too influenced by neoliberal politics and capitalist donors than actually trying to serve the people first, but it's still a better option to rally round than the GOP is. Compromise was tried to every extent during the eight years Obama was in office, and now they blame everything happening to america on Obama himself. The guy wasn't the best president maybe, but fuck me, he did try, despite being stonewalled at every step. If Obama had done a tenth of what Trump did, and is still doing, in office, those same people I mentioned at the very beginning would call for the storming of, or would storm the white house, themselves, and drag him out of the oval office with their bare hands. Also australian politics is looking none too well off for itself at present considering none of the parties have the support of even 1/4th of a given segment of the population, and its growing, and frankly rather disturbing, influencing by the right and far-right. As far as i'm concerned there are some things that just shouldn't be done, and that includes remaining with the same moronic attitudes that cost us so much over the centuries, thanks to general xenophobia, racism, and fear of the unknown. We're living in a different era now, and it's time the baggage of the past was left in the past where it belongs, lest this society we built up end up suffering for it as a result. If that, by chance, ever comes to pass, people shouldn't blame God for letting it happen, they should blame themselves for having allowed it in the first place.

All he said was that your analysis into the political problems of America is surface-level. In what reality is this "filthy and hateful"? I love that you acknowledge the possibility that a second Trump turn could have such dire consequences for some FPers that they may have to leave the country they were born in and the thing you want to talk about is people posting on an obscure British sexposing forum. Nothing in this thread has approached true hate, it's more a curt dismissal of the sort of "cormpromise" that failed in 2008, failed in 2012, and failed spectacularly in 2016 leading us to this to where we are today.

If there's a civility problem in US politics, it's that we've been far too civil for far too long in the face of grotesque injustice and inequality.

This is a laughably ignorant take on "modern American political culture". You don't even pretend like you know why people might reject out of hand the possibility of compromise and unity.

Well the sad reality is, if the USA doesn't come together on this shit, you're fucked with Trump for another term. Doesn't matter how that affects your feelings, that's what will happen. There's a fuckload of dumbasses out there, keeping the USA together should be priority #1 and the progressive stances should take the back seat. Anything is better than Trump, all of this my way or the highway shit is going to fuck the USA and the rest of the Western world because it will guarantee Trump a second term.

god if he spoils the dem election and forces us into indefinite trumpism im gonna blow my fuckin head off

That's why he's there, he is making good money from corporations who benefit off a centrist / far-right presidency, so why not try and split the vote? Special interests claim victory so long as the American people fail to have Progressive candidates be elected to positions. And once Biden loses they can also blame Progressives for the loss, while virtually every news network that broadcast for ignorant people echo the idea. I expect a repeat of this since special interest groups won't be caught off guard this time.

My point was less about Biden and Trump and elections specifically and more about how MightyAU doesn't even care enough to take the time to consider why rhetoric might be so charged. I just threw in that Biden stuff in the end because I find concern trolling insufferable. If you want to have a discussion about how abandoning progressive values to pursue centrist, third-way democratic policy failed to prevent Trump in the first place then we can have that discussion but that wasn't my goal.

Most of them probably are just misinformed. But the issue is they have no desire to be informed on the matter. The way they view things is the most comfortable way for them to view things so they're going to align with that view and actively resist any efforts to try and change it. As the old adage goes: You can lead a horse to water but can't force it to drink. The modern GOP have driven the wedge into our nation and continue to try to do so. And being bipartisan at this point won't actually help matters. You really can't compromise one shit like not destroying our environment causing global catastrophe. (What are you supposed to do, only half destroy it causing on half-global catastrophe?) And at this point things are so far gone that playing by the rules doesn't really matter. Playing by the rules should be the norm but at this point the GOP have actively discarded them so the only way to try and get shit under control is to do the same unfortunately. You simply cannot cooperate with those whose idea of cooperation is complete and total capitulation when it's to their advantage and meeting in the middle only when that's msot in their advantage. Unless, y'know, the people that get into power are fascists who are racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and hate everyone who's not the same religion as them and who have been making fairly blatant attempts to turn the US into a dictatorship at which point if they get back into power it's probably in the entire world's best interest that the US doesn't stay together or else we risk the nation turning into the next Nazi Germany which I wouldn't think most people would want. (I dunno about you but I sure the fuck don't. One Nazi Germany was bad enough. A second one who also happens to be the biggest economy in the world with the msot well-funded military sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.)

As someone removed from the situation, I don't have as much of a personal opinion, I don't knowhats going on at the ground level either. America is huge, opinions are plenty. From the outside it looks like the political wings are tearing the country apart because the GOP won't compromise, leading people away from the idea of giving them any wiggle room. Democracy lives on compromise and clashing ideas, it's just a shame that America is stumbling with this so hard at the present time.

Maybe you should read something about the situation before opening your mouth. Why do so many people have such strong opinions about things they have absolutely no understanding of?

The American democrats and the republicans are both generally right wing. "unity" literally just means an all-right wing government working together. There are very few actual lefties in government, and the far right in particular doesn't give a fuck about rules and in-fact wants "centrism" because it means they can do whatever they want.

I have read, I don't know what goes on at the ground level, because I don't live there. I am not strongly opinionated, I just think Trump is guaranteed another term if there is no unity. If that's a strong opinion, you truly are fucked lmao.

The only unity we can achieve is a far-right-wing unity, which means that... Trump would be guaranteed another term. Or a conservative even more extreme than him. You said it yourself, the GOP won't compromise. So what possible unity can there be with a party that won't move? By necessity, that means agreeing wholesale to them, and giving the country to the party whose ideals are being realized through the Trump administration. Unity is absolutely the last thing we need. There was a video posted in the Videos section earlier, Let's talk about the dangers of being a moderate, that succinctly summarizes the problem. Being a "moderate" or a "centrist" does not mean "try to find the middle ground between two parties." It means to take the most neutral stance. The example he gives is a far-right extremist wanting to commit to ethnic cleansing. Modern American politics would be the extreme left position to be "if you try to kill people, we will fight you." That is not an extreme position - that is a moderate position. The extreme left position would be to punish people who even suggest the idea of committing ethnic cleansing - not waiting till they actually act on the idea. As that video begins with, modern "moderates" are the people who are going to destroy this country. This country is so far right-wing that any ground given at all pushes is into extreme-right-wing territory. There is no leftist party with any serious power in the United States. The Democrats are right-wing, and the GOP are extremely right-wing. A "moderate" position would be to resist both parties and try to pull the country left. Trying to meet halfway only brings the country further right. And, as I began this post with saying, that is how you guarantee people like Trump get another term.