• Nigel Farage gets Milkshaked in Newcastle
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guess you could say he's now nigel fromage
Got any ideas on direct, disruptive and very public acts like this that do work towards furthering democracy? Because I'm gonna be honest, still a big fan of the milkshake
It's a fallacy that there even needs to be an equivalently "direct, disruptive and very public act" at all. This is a good place to start, though: https://twitter.com/Hayley_Barlow/status/1129053733751595009 https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1106947553294196737
then I remain a fan of the milkshakes since we agree they win out on that front. what a bizarre response
That's fine dude. It's not a bizarre response, though - just because an act is "direct, disruptive and very public" doesn't mean it should be kosher. That's why I said it was a fallacy. Shooting JFK was all that, and I don't think we could really find an equivalently "direct, disruptive and very public act", but that doesn't mean it should fly as a legitimate form of political expression (and, no, obviously these two acts are not even remotely comparable, which is why I'm making use of what's called "analogy", and not comparing them directly). Instead I offered you examples of other things you could do that achieve much the same, but refrain from actually physically engaging with the person. It's fine if you disagree with me, but if you can't see why - for some people - an expression being "effective" is not enough to justify its use, well yeah, I guess I would seem bizarre to you. Remain a fan of whatever you please.
the relevant bit of my question was "acts that do work towards furthering democracy" not whether it was equivalent in every way, you worked that "equivalently" in there yourself. it just sounds like you want to keep having the argument you were having on page 2, because both of these responses feel like non sequiturs to the conversation we're having
I assumed they would have to be equivalent, because it sounds like you wanted a substitute for throwing milkshakes. That's what made sense to me, but fair enough, I shouldn't read into your posts. But if you just want suggestions that aren't necessarily equivalent, I guess perhaps walking around behind Nigel Farage with a big picket sign that says "DON'T BELIEVE HIS LIES" or whatever? A peaceful protest? Ring doorbells? Write your representative? Argue with acquaintances that may be on the fence? Soap box on the city square?
Milkshake is a very large visible stain on the dark/black suits politician usually wear, doesn't have the direct impact of hitting someone with an egg, is easily washed off unlike a lot of paint and comes with a cool tag line of "lactosing the intolerant" I'd say milkshake is the lesser evil of things to throw at politician until there is a designated "politician formula" that can be thrown around.
i don't want to see milkshake-throwing normalized to any great extent. but it happened, and hurt nobody. it's a non-violent, highly visible expression of the frustration people have with these politics that have been tearing down democracy around the world, and it feels like much needed sincerity. i think it's possible to genuinely appreciate it without wanting it to be the norm.
I don't think we're as far apart as you might think.This single incident is not the worst thing since stale bread, and obviously this is not the breakdown of Western democracy. And yes, no one got hurt. It shouldn't come to be seen as a legitimate form of political expression, though.
First off I don't think milkshaking should be legal or normalised in civil society, but then neither should Farage (hereby called arsehole). What's right is not always what's legal so I think if someone wants to milkshake arsehole and is willing to face the consequences for doing so then power be to them. Secondly a good, public milkshaking is a way of signalling to people around the country who dislike arsehole that they're not alone. It's an act of solidarity against arsehole, a call to action, to show that votes against arsehole don't stand alone. A placard following him round will be seen by maybe 100 people, it'll be framed out of media shots and won't do shit. A nice, vibrant, flavourful milkshake bukkake all over his face will be seen by the entire country. Lastly it had the effect of damaging arsehole's brand, he maintains an image of himself as a strongman (he tells his bodyguard to call him "Il Duce") as "respectable traditional english country gentleman" from better times. Him getting dosed in sweet, thick milkshake shows he's just an ordinary human, albeit one with dellusions of grandeur and a mean streak.
the whole affair of brexit was a breakdown of democracy, if you didnt notice. nigel garbage invented it so he could use it as a political weapon, and was amazed that it even worked as well as it did. But it didnt stop him from attempting to gain as much mileage out of it as possible, the only problem is there's nobody in the mainstream actually trying to oppose him on ideological grounds, blow for blow. Corby doesn't count because the man doesnt know what pragmatism is, and is an unbendingly rigid ideologue who insists that brexit happen regardless of the consequences to the british public.
looks like you can in fact barrage the farage
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