European elections 2019: Brexit party takes lead in early UK results - live
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The main thing with this election is what it means for Brexit, and what message everyone takes from it. Does the Brexit Party winning mean that the parties in power are now more inclined to go for No Deal? Or does the Lib Dem/Green surge mean a second referendum is more likely? What will Labour do now that they've been shown that their current position is a disaster?
Get fucked. Good riddance.
Weren't you just saying two days ago that the idea of a dude covering himself in milkshake to 'get a few votes' is ridiculous?
This seems like a bit of a harsh turnaround from that line of logic.
From my PoV though it seems sorta' retarded to vote based on who random people on the street are rude to, folks should vote based on policy, but whatevs.
I am glad that the green parties got more seats compared to the last election. Wished that the eastern european countries would vote for green parties as well.
What hurt the remain parties was the splintering vs the one and all brexit party.
Though I guess that is mostly down to the very limited timeframe we had to plan on this election.
If the brexit party does run in a general election, the remain parties are going to have to team up into a new party to compete in the fptp system.
As a Scot, im just glad the SNP are still under 40% of the vote so we can keep laughing at them when they say they "Speak for Scotland"
Scotland voted to stay in the EU and they're fighting for us to stay in the EU, what's the problem?
I can't really see Change UK coming back from this. In most areas they got less votes than UKIP. You know, that party that multiple political commentators say is dead; to do worse than a dead party says a lot. I'm not even sure who was voting for them in the first place; if you want an intrinsically pro-Remain party, you vote Lib Dems or, cos I know some people still don't trust the Libs, Greens.
Scotland also voted to stay in the Union. The SNP are fighting to rip that apart.
The Punished Parties are now in their election epilogue stage
Senior Labour figures are calling for the party to back Remain after getting owned
Change UK want to form a partnership with the Lib Dem after getting owned
Boris Johnson says the Tories need to deliver Brexit after getting owned
UKIP are lying completely dead on the pavement, flies beginning to gather around their decomposing corpse
No not at all what I said. The idea he spefically did it for votes was made up is what I said. Not that people would maybe be swayed by the act to vote brexit party.
I think the sheer dissatisfaction with the political process and sense of "just get it over with already", coupled with the simple fact "Brexit" is taken as "doing something" whereas "not doing Brexit" means, well, the opposite (a plan of action versus a plan of inaction, and no strongly publicized alternative) are the significant factors here. You're entitled to think whatever, but I'd be lying if I said it did not come off as dishonest that you say you're "wondering" if the milkshakes swayed votes, when you'd clearly already formed an opinion beforehand. Just keep confirmation bias in mind, that's all
I think It's near-sighted, if not swayed by bias, to completely dedicate ourselves to this belief that Labour did badly because they're not a Remain party. That would be part of it, sure; the Lib Dems & Greens had to steal votes from somewhere, but I don't think we should rule out the proportion of Labour voters that also supported Brexit and felt abandoned. Moreover, I don't think a sudden shift to pro-EU is going to massively benefit Labour; the Greens and Lib Dems have been clear on their stance from Day 1, so why would people suddenly flip back to Labour? They, like the Tories, have eroded people's trust. I know I certainly wouldn't start waving red flags and wearing a red rosette just because Corbyn finally dedicates himself to Remain. Mud is clearer than Corbyn; how anyone can still have faith in him is befuddling to me.
Now this is the kind of headline I want to see
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tommy-robinson-european-election-results-video-yaxley-lennon-north-west-a8931451.html
Also plaid cymru beating labour to second place was a massive blow to Labour, considering Wales has been a massive labour stronghold for like 100 years or something crazy like that.
And the bbc was saying how that was nearly no seats if the libdems had the changeUK votes.
Man, we gonna see some interesting things happen in the following months.
I mean, that's still a lot of people that checked his box.
Brexit changed that don't you think? Part of the the sway for staying in the Union was the argument that joining the EU would be much harder, possibly getting vetoed by Spain. We voted to stay with a UK in the EU, we're not getting that, so quite rightly the SNP are carrying out the will of the Scottish people, the outcomes of past votes don't change their mandate.
I would disagree with that to be honest. The SNP are only ever going to be able to hold referenda - they aren't actually going to be the ones responsible for the result of an indyref2. I dislike a lot of what the SNP do, I don't like nationalist parties by definition and they've been responsible for NHS Scotland and the education system going tits up here.
The results of IndyRef is from a time before Brexit, and as Burro said, one of the key reasons people voted remain was due to the threat of leaving the EU. That obviously is no longer the case, and will have changed a lot of people's opinions on Scottish Independence. The turnout question is a moot point, we can only listen to the voices of the people who actually go out and vote, it would be outrageous to question the validity of the outcome of a vote based on turnout, hence why people are always pushing for more people to vote.
There's going to be just as much shit on with another indyref that we're already seeing with brexit, like the hard border issue and just general negotiations with the EU, but I know that if Brexit does go through, I will be voting for Scottish independence should IndyRef 2 happen.
I'll take 'headlines that put a smile on my face' for 500, Alex.
Northern Ireland's results are coming in. We use STV here, so it's going to be a while before we see the final count.
https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1132985771898613766
This kinda sums up my thoughts on the SNP a lot (dual citizen btw, both UK (Scot) and Netherlands)
The SNP tries to pull shit like the Named Person scheme which are just a massive infringement on civil rights and their management of NHS Scotland is terrible. It took me 2 years to be diagnosed with MS because they wouldn't perform any of the required tests (MS is real easy to diagnose with MRI+contrast and lumbar puncture btw) insisting that I was too young and then later that I was faking symptoms, somehow, until it took a doctor in our family to pull rank and get it done. That's not isolated either; the hospitals in Glasgow are having premature deaths constantly from what should be easily prevented diseases from pigeon shit acquired in hospital and a few months ago NHS Tayside got in shit for deliberately giving cancer patients a lower-than-prescribed amount of chemotherapy.
All the while I see SNP supporters brush it off with 'oh but it's the Tories!!' no it's not. The Scottish Government has full control over the funding and decision making of NHS Scotland, it only shares a name and logo.
That being said I am not opposed to independence, when I lived in Scotland I would have to grit my teeth and vote for them because often my choices where either SNP or Tory.
some banter in the wake of the results
https://youtu.be/uiy7MLEydhs
Labour has done such a bad job recently in Wales what with all the Brexity stuff going on, and their Union (the origin of most of Wales' support for Labour historically) boss being closely buddies with John Mcdonnell who is rather odious, as well as Corbyn himself who doesn't appear to give a toss about Wales. The WG has also been controlled by Labour since 1999 and things are starting to rot without new blood. The M4 project and various scandals in the South have really hurt them too. Basically they're doing nothing to actually earn votes and are way too complacent. The result? Well, the other intrinsically Pro-Welsh party is Plaid, a group which originates from the Valleys which are arguably the heart of the country. It's so good to see. Even if Welsh Independence never becomes a reality, a credible party arguing for it could earn us more respect and devolution from the increasingly broken Government in London.
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1132990412292067329
The far right isn't gaining much ground overall, and it's mostly from their surge in UK and Italy. They perfomed similar or worst in most places elsewhere, including france. Stronger greens and center, right and left losing ground. You could argue the net "pro EU vs anti EU" votes havent changed much really, because while the far right gained some votes, anti EU far left votes went to pro EU greens.
Stronger center means the majority can swing either way more I imagine. The center is very pro ecology here so hopefully that means a lot more votes for EU climate change policy. Maybe not so good for social policies if that center votes neolib economicaly.
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1132996076758290435
Even McDonnell is onboard now, seems like Labour backing a PV is now inevitable
