https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/27/remain-forces-pact-would-have-helped-lib-dems-beat-brexit-party-says-cable?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
It's so frustrating, all the Remain parties had to do was follow the damn train and the headline today would be "Voters overwhelmingly back Remain party as Farage comes second"
The British parties have shown themselves to be morons for the past 3 years, this was to be expected. I doubt they'll learn until after they end up with No-Deal Brexit because they're too stupid to stop it.
I think such a party will come out of any potential general election seeing as the brexit party wants to go into parliament as well. (which I can't see happening at all, I mean surely the tories won't go for such a suicidal move)
Wasn't the reasoning behind no remain party be due to the government's indecisiveness as to if we were even holding the elections? To actually arrange with other parties, register and all that would have taken a few months vs the Brexit party which just popped up a few days before the deadline. (and thanks to changeUK doing nothing but take votes from libdems)
And with the brexit party's one policy-in-name being registered by mr cod-milkshake & friends meant that it was the defacto leave party as essentially UKIP2 with big supporters behind it.
According to the BBC We had a voter turnout of 36.9% or 17,199,701 people.
Less people total voted in the UK than voted for brexit.
If anyone tries to use this as any kind of mandate they should be beaten round the chops with a book on "common sense" but alas common sense is dead.
You think that's bad? Our voter turnout was something like 32%. The inefficacy of governments to address the issues of the people results in general apathy towards the democratic process itself. Governments need to start listening to what they voters want if they actually want to retain them.
Well at the very least we now know the majority of the UK is against Brexit. Maybe you guys can still pull something off and prevent your country from getting fucked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/383008498583207946/582707498784653312/9rbucpaesq031.png
If ever there was an indictment against the British electorate.
How do you even get drastically more people to vote? The level of apathy is depressing.
Not helped by the fact that 'It won't matter we're leaving the EU anyway' is a pretty big attitude.
Wouldnt it be best to do what the people down under to and have Compulsory Voting? Isnt the turn out in Australia really good when it comes to the elections?
it wouldn't stop people from just voting for the first name on the ballot just because they have to
A huge amount of this can be put down to the government not getting this done properly, I mentioned before a lot of expats never got their voting packs or got them late.
The same happened within the country as well, people with postal votes not receiving them or getting them too late.
That would have had a huge impact on the total vote count.
For the loven gods, not this partisan entitlement BS again as the European elections aren't the same thing with its national counterparts (the UK as a example), with their voting system is usually Proportional Representation with couple different types (UK has high-average based) in few European countries, along seat count is treat way more seriously in these voting systems, than focusing on the polling side in the majorly used FPTP UK.
Along as couple Facepunchers already mentioned, this is a percentage strategic victory anyway to beat the only Anti-EU party.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1132805516189683712
This is what I don't get.
I keep seeing the usual suspects (see: r/ukpolitics) spinning these elections as Remain WINNING, but parties supporting SOME sort of Brexit (be it hard or soft, still Brexit) outnumbered Remain parties. Not to mention that 36% turnout is pathetic and hardly indicative, and that an amount of people will have voted for a given party regardless of Brexit stance.
I'm just confused as to what people actually think is gonna happen without an actual general election before September to change the numbers in the house. What mandate for Brexiting/Remaining did the bloody EU elections give us? Whatever Hard Brexit Tory is about to take the reigns couldn't give a shite pal.
I'm struggling to see past the fanaticism here. A VONC backed by Tory defectors, followed by a GE in which Labour stick by their word and offer a confirmatory (runoff) vote is quite literally the only way I can see the current situation changing.
man that turnout is shite
when can we implement compulsory voting a la Australia?
It comes down to what you are asking.
To get through the house of commons, a single form of brexit needs to get a majority - their sum doesn't matter because a lot of the hard brexit people won't vote for soft, and the soft people won't vote for hard. If they go for a no deal, the government will collapse. The deal with the EU won't get through parliament. That leaves a second referendum as the only logical conclusion.
Only logical conclusion, therefore the government will do the opposite
I don't think so. The legislative default is a no deal whether or while our government is collapsing, and it seems 'going for no deal' simply entails running the clock down until deadline.
If it got to that point I can honestly see them toppling the government and finding a way to form a coalition to avoid it. Westminster really doesn't want no deal. I think the only way it happens is running down the clock while pretending to be working on something, then last minute yelling "surprise" but even that's unlikely to work. I think politicians are just waiting for an out to support a second referendum. Labour have it, the tories need their new leader to get fucked first.
They could vote blank. Blank votes are still better than abstention.
You'd still end up with people marking down whatever just to get it done. Ill-informed or ill-intentioned votes are more damaging than absenteeism because they carry a greater weight of democratic justification.
It's kind of disingenuous to count all of Labour as Leave, wasn't their policy "try to leave with a deal but default to remaining" while the Tories are more "try to leave with a deal but maybe default no deal". I can see a lot of people voting for Labour out of loyalty rather than their stance (or lack of) on Brexit. I don't think it's very fair to represent votes for Labour or Conservative as a vote for leaving with a deal.
Yeah, which is why, combined with the low turnout, it's disingenuous to spin these results as good for anyone really. The only thing that is clear, is the lack of a mandate from anyone to change our current course towards no deal.
It's a VONC in the government or it's some sort of Brexit. That is the only way.
It's a technicality. I'm sure all of Labour don't want to leave, but the fact remains their policy is to try and leave.
In reality, compulsory voting works. We have it here in Belgium. When you go all the way to vote, pretty much everyone will actually think it through, even for one second, to make their vote count instead of voting at random.
I took part in the organization of my town's election day last Sunday and I can say with 100% certainty that the people who care the least often take the most time in the booth. They don't just "vote for the first name on the ballot" because they want to go away.
I know plenty of cunts who voted Brexit Party even despite being diehard Labour or what have you because "It's a protest vote" and "We're leaving anyway". Fucking braindead morons.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134207549249654786
Check that out for a poll 👀
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