Alabama's Immigration Law Passes (Or, Jim Crow for the Twenty First Century!)
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[QUOTE=Ardosos;30507239]How would we make drugs safer? How would we regulate them?
Already we can't stop people from abusing alcohol by, for example, drunk driving. If drugs were more common or easier to get, how would we stop people from abusing them?[/QUOTE]
Illegal drugs aren't given suggested dosage levels, maximum dosage levels, listed side effects, etc. They are also sometimes given with other chemicals that are directly harmful, or produced in unsanitary environments. Legal drugs would probably also introduce chemicals that increase absorption (reducing the need for as much total dosage, and smoothing out the average dosage received), and reduce the negative effects of the drug.
Regulation would be similar to alcohol, which is much, much better than no regulation.
We can't really stop abuse, and we aren't stopping it now.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30505310]Doesn't matter.
It's [b]HARD[/b] to make a [b]BILLION DOLLARS[/b] without [b]STEALING[/b], but that doesn't make it [b]ACCEPTABLE[/b] to [b]STEAL[/b].[/QUOTE]
Comparing stealing to migrating to a country, republican logic is A++.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30506844]Well with attitudes like that I'm not surprised. You're part of the problem.
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[QUOTE=lolwutdude;30507297]
uh, it's not fucking rocket science, we already use the 'horrendous' drugs if you haven't noticed, we just brand it, make it safer, and call it a different name for a variety of problems...
hell, portugal does it, look up their statistics and compare it to ours, voila.[/QUOTE]
Again, we fail to prevent people from drunk driving. How would we keep them from driving while high?
[QUOTE=analrapist;30507267]We can't catch all murderers, and even if we could then people would still commit murder anyway, so we shouldn't bother trying to stop people from murdering anyway.[/QUOTE]
Murder, which is immediately and irrevocably damaging to an individual and their relatives and associates, cannot be compared to a working individual who isn't a citizen.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30507144]I think he's saying that the jobs illegals are doing are jobs that wouldn't exist if there weren't any illegals (ie, if an employer suddenly can't pay people half of minimum wage they're just going to hire half as many people) so it's kind of hard to say they're taking jobs.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps. He's yet to respond to me on that. Though, assuming an employer can't even afford minimum wage for his workers and has to resort to hiring nothing but illegals instead, or is doing so just because of cheapness, it's fairly obvious that they shouldn't even be owning and maintaining an agricultural business in the first place, be it a farm, a processing center, etc. The jobs they create and hire the illegals for do nothing, of course, for the rest of us who are actual citizens, however. There again, that causes budget problems and tax increases in the long run, a good portion of which is to blame because of unemployment.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;30507326]Again, we fail to prevent people from drunk driving. How would we keep them from driving while high?[/QUOTE]
if you're saying we should keep shit banned cause possibilities every people in united states has down syndromes and is going to drive while high, i also say our paranoia should extend back to alcohol as well!!
bring back prohibition!
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[QUOTE=lolwutdude;30507297]do you really believe if all the farmers or workers in agriculture are actually paid minimum wage?
it's precisely cause we pay them the illegals so low, our food prices are lower than they should be, force agriculture companies to be monitored and force them to all pay their workers minimum wage, prepare for a price skyrocket[/QUOTE]
Actually they've done the math on this, and the cost of food would increase only slightly if all workers were paid legal minimum wage. One of my uncles works for a major produce company in California, and their latest estimates were that the cost of a head of lettuce would go up by 10¢*if all the companies hired only Americans and paid all their workers legal minimum wage.
But my Uncle's company does fancy organics and is on the up-and-up and actually only hires legal workers (or uses robots) so it wouldn't change their prices at all.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;30507379]if you're saying we should keep shit banned cause possibilities every people in united states has down syndromes and is going to drive while high, i also say our paranoia should extend back to alcohol as well!!
bring back prohibition!
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Prohibition was bad because alcohol was already an established, legitimate part of the economy before it was banned. Drugs have no "niche" per se.
[QUOTE=Stany01;30507315]Comparing stealing to migrating to a country, republican logic is A++.[/QUOTE]
Registered Democrat, buddy.
Come live in California for a while and you'll change your opinion on illegal immigrants.
They are fucking shit up here really bad.
Los Angeles taxpayers paid $1.6 billion in benefits to illegal aliens in 2010.
[url]http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/california-taxpayers-pay-record-amount-benefits-to-children-of-illegal-aliens[/url]
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;30507372]Perhaps. He's yet to respond to me on that. Though, assuming an employer can't even afford minimum wage for his workers and has to resort to hiring nothing but illegals instead, or is doing so just because of cheapness, it's fairly obvious that they shouldn't even be owning and maintaining an agricultural business in the first place, be it a farm, a processing center, etc. The jobs they create and hire the illegals for do nothing, of course, for the rest of us who are actual citizens, however. There again, that causes budget problems and tax increases in the long run, a good portion of which is to blame because of unemployment.[/QUOTE]
it's not they [i]can't[/i] afford the minimum wage, it's that they [i] don't want to[/i].
pop quiz, who were employed to build gigantic fences to block off the border
answer is...illegals!
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;30507349]Murder, which is immediately and irrevocably damaging to an individual and their relatives and associates, cannot be compared to a working individual who isn't a citizen.[/QUOTE]
Well Mr. Analrapist, since you think Murder and Working illegally are comparable, I don't know what to think of you.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;30507409]Prohibition was bad because alcohol was already an established, legitimate part of the economy before it was banned. Drugs have no "niche" per se.[/QUOTE]
Marijuana was legal for a loooong time before it was outlawed.
George Washington grew hemp on his farms.
The main push to have marijuana outlawed came from alcohol and tobacco farmers who didn't want the competition.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;30507409]Prohibition was bad because alcohol was already an established, legitimate part of the economy before it was banned. Drugs have no "niche" per se.[/QUOTE]
so was drugs, how do you think opium was controlled during long ass time ago britain?
analrapist, one of my uncle is the head of the FDA and other similar organizations in all 45+ countries all over the world, and he's the math champion of the galaxy mathcon convention, and he says you're wrong
[QUOTE=analrapist;30507444]Marijuana was legal for a loooong time before it was outlawed.
George Washington grew hemp on his farms.
The main push to have marijuana outlawed came from alcohol and tobacco farmers who didn't want the competition.[/QUOTE]
That was several generations ago, the economy has since adapted.
Same to the above poster.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;30507435]Well Mr. Analrapist, since you think Murder and Working illegally are comparable, I don't know what to think of you.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they are, I'm just pointing out that your logic is stupid.
Saying that because we can't eliminate all of something means we shouldn't try is a defeatist attitude that has no place in the United States of America, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave. :fsmug:
[QUOTE=analrapist;30507478]Saying that because we can't eliminate all of something means we shouldn't try is a defeatist attitude that has no place in the United States of America, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave. :fsmug:[/QUOTE]
I didn't say we shouldn't try, I just pointed out it won't be as beneficial as you think. Don't put words in my mouth.
Coincidentally, I don't think we should try. But that has nothing to do with my argument up there.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;30507476]That was several generations ago, the economy has since adapted.
Same to the above poster.[/QUOTE]
o ok the economy's adapted i guess it's ok for the government to tell me what i can put in my body because i ~might drive while high~
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;30507467]analrapist, one of my uncle is the head of the FDA and other similar organizations in all 45+ countries all over the world, and he's the math champion of the galaxy mathcon convention, and he says you're wrong[/QUOTE]
Being retarded is a great way to win arguments! Good job!
Do some research, man.
The cost of labor is miniscule when it comes to producing food.
The main costs come from transport, land, water, fertilizer, fuel, and storage.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30507478]I don't think they are, I'm just pointing out that your logic is stupid.
Saying that because we can't eliminate all of something means we shouldn't try is a defeatist attitude that has no place in the United States of America, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave. :fsmug:[/QUOTE]
its not a defeatist attitude, it's a direct middle finger to the cartels and a message that they're no longer in control of shit, and watch us sell regulated and way safer drugs while your empire crumbles because no one has a reason to buy from you
[QUOTE=Lazor;30507501]o ok the economy's adapted i guess it's ok for the government to tell me what i can put in my body because i ~might drive while high~[/QUOTE]
Can't. The government tells you what you [B]can't[/B] put in your body because you might drive while high.
I approve of this. If they have no skills aside from being able to grunt work for under minimum wage, then let them stay in their own country.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30507502]Being retarded is a great way to win arguments! Good job!
Do some research, man.
The cost of labor is miniscule when it comes to producing food.
The main costs come from transport, land, water, fertilizer, fuel, and storage.[/QUOTE]
the fact you used anecdotal evidence is retarded itself, cause logic says having to pay mass amount of farmers minimum wage means the food price will remain as they are now, right?
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;30507506]its not a defeatist attitude, it's a direct middle finger to the cartels and a message that they're no longer in control of shit, and watch us sell regulated and way safer drugs while your empire crumbles because no one has a reason to buy from you[/QUOTE]
Nah, I mean about illegal immigration.
I agree that we should legalize marijuana.
I'm on the fence about harder drugs like cocaine and heroin.
But there is absolutely no compelling logical or economic reason why marijuana should be illegal.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;30507212]cept this war on drugs started for an idealistic or moral idea on the basis that it's bad!!![/quote]
Uh... I never said anything in this entire thread about drugs or the Mexican cartels or even laws about drugs.
[quote=lolwutdude]portugal's policy shows it's practical, and seeing what's going on at the moment with studies and reports that the war on drugs has failed, i think this policy is opposite of practical.[/QUOTE]
Portugal's policy shows that the open season method is practical for a country of 10.6 million people. They decriminalized the use, possession and acquisition of all types of illicit substances for personal use, so long as they had up to ten days' supply of that substance(s) but not in excess. If you're in excess, you get a court summons. There's more to it than that, but that's a brief overview.
The United States has almost 311 million people. Way too difficult to enforce that kind of a policy. The Netherlands, which had a similar decriminalization policy to that of Portugal, is even now reverting away from it. They're closing down the "coffee shops" and safe injection sites (for heroin) which have made them so famous, and have made the import or export of any classifiable drug illegal.
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If you find a way to make their policy functional and practical for a country of 311 million people, by all means share it with us.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;30507549]the fact you used anecdotal evidence is retarded itself, cause logic says having to pay mass amount of farmers minimum wage means the food price will remain as they are now, right?[/QUOTE]
lolwutdudedoyouspeakenglish?
I can't tell if you're trying to troll, or if you just don't understand how the English language works well enough to get your ideas across.
We don't pay the field workers all that much less than minimum wage now, and the cost of labor is a very small percentage of the overall cost of food. The majority of the cost of produce is materials and transportation. Think about how much labor/time it takes to pick ONE head of lettuce. Ok, now triple the cost of that labor. You added MAYBE a few cents to the lettuce.
I think it might be a bit of both.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30507502]Being retarded is a great way to win arguments! Good job!
Do some research, man.
The cost of labor is miniscule when it comes to producing food.
The main costs come from transport, land, water, fertilizer, fuel, and storage.[/QUOTE]
So, quick research says you're wrong:
[url]http://www.iskconvarnasrama.com/cms/node/173[/url]
[url]http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/ucce50/ag-labor/[/url]
Since you insist we do research for you, I'm sure you won't mind pointing out your source for that?
[QUOTE=analrapist;30507585]lolwutdudedoyouspeakenglish?
I can't tell if you're trying to troll, or if you just don't understand how the English language works well enough to get your ideas across.
We don't pay the field workers all that much less than minimum wage now, and the cost of labor is a very small percentage of the overall cost of food.[/QUOTE]
Except for the capitalization and punctuation I don't see any major problems with his or her grammar.
[QUOTE=analrapist;30507585]lolwutdudedoyouspeakenglish?
I can't tell if you're trying to troll, or if you just don't understand how the English language works well enough to get your ideas across.
We don't pay the field workers all that much less than minimum wage now, and the cost of labor is a very small percentage of the overall cost of food.[/QUOTE]
not my fault you can't comprehend the great intellect of it
and few things
a) for some reason, people don't like working in farms, so illegals take them
b) illegals are closer to home and easier to hire
c) they get paid way less!!!
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i have a professor from seattle backing me up, you have a lunchbox
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