Alabama's Immigration Law Passes (Or, Jim Crow for the Twenty First Century!)
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[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;30507632]So, quick research says you're wrong:
[url]http://www.iskconvarnasrama.com/cms/node/173[/url]
[url]http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/ucce50/ag-labor/[/url]
Since you insist we do research for you, I'm sure you won't mind pointing out your source for that?[/QUOTE]
Thinking that agricultural production costs in other countries are the same as in the USA is silly.
The UC system's labor department is notoriously biased.
I'm trying to find a source for you.
[editline]17th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;30507679]
a) for some reason, people don't like working in farms, so illegals take them[/QUOTE]
Citizens won't take farm jobs because the pay is below minimum wage and below what it should be because illegal immigrants are taking the jobs.
Get rid of the illegal immigrants, raise the wages to something realistic, and people will take the jobs.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;30507679]b) illegals are closer to home and easier to hire[/QUOTE]
This is nonsensical bullshit. What is this even supposed to mean?
Closer to whose home? Easier to hire than legal citizens? What?
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;30507679]c) they get paid way less!!![/QUOTE]
No shit. That's part of the problem.
[editline]17th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;30507632]Since you insist we do research for you, I'm sure you won't mind pointing out your source for that?[/QUOTE]
The harvest cost of lettuce is $0.35/pound according to North Carolina State University. Presumably they are using legal labor for that estimate. A hamburger that uses half an ounce of lettuce sees a $0.01 labor cost for that lettuce at today's wages. Double it. Still no problem. See?
[url]http://www.uky.edu/Ag/NewCrops/introsheets/romaine.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=analrapist;30507697]The harvest cost of lettuce is $0.35/pound according to North Carolina State University. Presumably they are using legal labor for that estimate. A hamburger that uses half an ounce of lettuce sees a $0.01 labor cost for that lettuce at today's wages. Double it. Still no problem. See?
[URL]http://www.uky.edu/Ag/NewCrops/introsheets/romaine.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]
So many problems:
Corn is one of the most common crops, why not cite that?
That's harvest costs - what about maintenance and planting costs (labor only)?
You're really going to bring up hamburger costs as a result of lettuce changes? Really?
You're also ignoring the other foods that go into producing the burger - grains for buns, and corn or other crops for cows.
ooooohhhh noooooooo they're trying to enforce the law!!!!! violation of human civil rights let's start riots
Demanding citizenship papers is a bit iffy, but other than that, GOOD.
Illegal immigrants do not get citizens' rights. End of story. It's hard to get into the country, yes, but that's because we have problems to deal with that a huge population influx would certainly not help. We let in the people we need, for the most part. Just because it's hard to do something legally does not make it okay to do it illegally. The money we spend on illegals at the moment far outweighs any price increases that come from forcing accountability among businesses. I know some doctors very personally that have to treat a very large number of people who literally speak no English and are almost certainly not citizens that can't pay a dime. Of course, the doctor's can't say they're illegal because that's against doctor/patient confidentiality laws. That's a whole new story but still. You get the point. Illegals are taking jobs, for less than minimum wage, that legal American citizens should be getting, even if it raises prices.
I'd illegally immigrate in a heartbeat if I lived in Mexico.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;30509119]I'd illegally immigrate in a hear5bgeat if I lived in Mexico.[/QUOTE]
that really confused me
Just wanted to point out that Sluggo, Analrapist, LunchboxofDoom and I totally won that argument.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;30509457]Just wanted to point out that Sluggo, Analrapist, LunchboxofDoom and I totally won that argument.[/QUOTE]
nope
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;30509293]that really confused me[/QUOTE]
Woah, how did that 5 get in there.
They're less than 4% Hispanic, and several states away from the US/Mexico border. It's not like Illegal immigration is a problem for them.
[QUOTE=jeimizu;30509880]They're less than 4% Hispanic, and several states away from the US/Mexico border. It's not like Illegal immigration is a problem for them.[/QUOTE]
that's like saying "murder rates here are virtually 0, let's just make it legal"
[QUOTE=cccritical;30510076]that's like saying "murder rates here are virtually 0, let's just make it legal"[/QUOTE]
No, because illegal immigrants existing doesn't kill people. Go with a less insane comparison.
No one considered the location of the law at all? This law is pointless in a place like Alabama.
[editline]16th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=cccritical;30510076]that's like saying "murder rates here are virtually 0, let's just make it legal"[/QUOTE]
You're not getting the point, it's nowhere close to the border of Mexico. And because of that, there's a small amount of hispanics there. Adding this law would be equivalent to me prohibiting whale hunting in Egypt.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;30510106]No one considered the location of the law at all? This law is pointless in a place like Alabama.
[editline]16th June 2011[/editline]
You're not getting the point, it's nowhere close to the border of Mexico. And because of that, there's a small amount of hispanics there. Adding this law would be equivalent to me prohibiting whale hunting in Egypt.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't assume. I live in Wisconsin, which is pretty far North, and we have quite a few up here.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;30510106] And because of that, there's a small amount of hispanics there. Adding this law would be equivalent to me prohibiting whale hunting in Egypt.[/QUOTE]
[b]HOOOOLY SHIT[/b] you're so wrong. I live in Alabama and we have TONS of hispanics, and I wouldn't doubt some of them are illegal
I had some "Anchor Babies" in my Senior class, they were pretty cool.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;30510105]No, because illegal immigrants existing doesn't kill people. Go with a less insane comparison.[/QUOTE]
um excuse me but "there are practically no illegal immigrants there anyways, that law is pointless" is exactly the same as "there are practically no murders there anyways, that law is pointless"
[editline]16th June 2011[/editline]
how could you possibly be having a hard time understanding that or should I be aware of a recent concussion or something
[QUOTE=cccritical;30510406]um excuse me but "there are practically no illegal immigrants there anyways, that law is pointless" is exactly the same as "there are practically no murders there anyways, that law is pointless"[/QUOTE]
If the comparison is apt, why not use a less severe crime, or just argue the point, instead of vaguely implying murder is as severe as illegal immigration. After all, some things that apply to murder do not apply to other crimes. For example, there's no statute of limitations on Murder, but you don't say "We don't let murderers get away with it after a few decades, why do we let drunk drivers?"
holy shit wow
I'm not implying murder is as severe as illegal immigration
you're dumb for saying the law is pointless just because it isn't broken very often
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;30510482] instead of vaguely implying murder is as severe as illegal immigration. [/QUOTE]
he didn't, you actually just avoided his completely valid point and chose be to be naive
honestly I shouldn't even have to make the comparison, "there are practically no illegal immigrants there anyways, that law is pointless" should be universally dumb to everyone
[QUOTE=cccritical;30510556]holy shit wow
I'm not implying murder is as severe as illegal immigration
you're dumb for saying the law is pointless just because it isn't broken very often[/QUOTE]
Then why did you compare it to murder? You picked arguably the most severe crime that exists - you don't just pick the most extreme example for no reason.
Anyway, I don't feel it should be a crime to enter a country and stay there indefinitely, so I don't think the law is pointless because it doesn't work well, I think it's just pointless.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;30510593]Then why did you compare it to murder? You picked arguably the most severe crime that exists - you don't just pick the most extreme example for no reason.
Anyway, I don't feel it should be a crime to enter a country and stay there indefinitely, so I don't think the law is pointless because it doesn't work well, I think it's just pointless.[/QUOTE]
this is where everyone should stop arguing with this man because he is dense
[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;30510608]this is where everyone should stop arguing with this man because he is dense[/QUOTE]
I was just pointing out he was making a needlessly extreme comparison.
In defense of my position, I can move to any state within the US without having to declare myself. I can work in any state indefinitely without living there. Doing so between countries doesn't seem like a leap to me.
yeah not like there's a fucking huge underground drug trade and human trafficking and crime ring thing going on in mexico
I mean mexico is practically exactly the same as the US, right? right?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the only reason you're serious about that is because you're autistic but you really should keep on a leash
[editline]16th June 2011[/editline]
am I coming on a little strong with the insults
[editline]16th June 2011[/editline]
or can you even understand them
[QUOTE=cccritical;30510690]yeah not like there's a fucking huge underground drug trade and human trafficking and crime ring thing going on in mexico
I mean mexico is practically exactly the same as the US, right? right?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the only reason you're serious about that is because you're autistic but you really should keep on a leash[/QUOTE]
Drug trade and human trafficking is already domestically illegal, that's sure working out. It's really the weak immigration laws that are stopping those guys!
Obviously Mexico isn't the same as the US, but so what? As long as the people that work and live here follow our laws (besides the current immigration law, obviously), why should we fucking care where they came from?
Insulting me makes me value your opinion and sways me to your way of thinking!
"as long as the people that work and live here follow our laws"
:allears:
[QUOTE=cccritical;30510803]"as long as the people that work and live here follow our laws"
:allears:[/QUOTE]
Like I said earlier in the thread, I've done research on this before and can't be bothered to go bring out the sources again, but immigrants aren't particularly prone to crime (no more so than any poor group of people), pay taxes, don't receive more benefits than they should if they had been citizens...
Oh, but I guess you'll just assume you're right after how your posts have been, so why should I even bother?
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;30510833]
Oh, but I guess you'll just assume you're right after how your posts have been, so why should I even bother?[/QUOTE]
:irony:
every time i saw someone make an argument murder always became the rebuttal
even though it's a shit rebuttal
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