Femen members throw water at arch bishop during speech - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40411536]Are you blind or are you not seeing him boxing everyone.[/QUOTE] Maybe because he thinks those posts are dumb? He hasn't called anyone stupid. You're the only one who has taken a 12x12 image of a box as a personal insult.

[QUOTE=omggrass;40411539]would you have been okay if the blacks burned down churches and physically assaulted average people when they were being oppressed?[/QUOTE] that's not at all comparable to getting splashed with water. stop it

[QUOTE=omggrass;40411539]would you have been okay if the blacks burned down churches and physically assaulted average people when they were being oppressed?[/QUOTE] well if a racist constitutes "average" and being splashed with water constitutes physical assault then yeah. i guess with that kind of track record setting something on fire is gonna be more like leaving a box of unlit matches a mile away from the church

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40411579]this guy is a text book MRA, everyone pack up, we can leave now[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=omggrass;40411017]remember guys as a rule of thumb for threads like these: if you can't win an argument on your own merits, call the other person a bigot and disregard their opinion entirely! also remember: your rights end where the other persons feelings begin![/QUOTE] i don't even align myself with the MRA, and here you go labeling me. might as well tattoo an identification number and send me on a train.

[QUOTE=omggrass;40411625]i don't even align myself with the MRA, and here you go labeling me. might as well tattoo an identification number and send me on a train.[/QUOTE] no you might as well not, stop doing that fucking hell.

[QUOTE=omggrass;40411625]i don't even align myself with the MRA, and here you go labeling me. might as well tattoo an identification number and send me on a train.[/QUOTE] now you're setting yourself on a level as a political prisoner or even worse: jews during a holocaust this is fucking funny oh my god my sides dont worry, i'll remember your valuable lesson, next time i see somebody splashed with water, i'll go ask the police to call the swat team for a huge terrorist attack

[QUOTE=omggrass;40411588]oh boy the good ol' you can't do what i don't want you to do. what are you going to do next, forbid anyone from having a religion? maybe even burn and kill those with a specific religion?[/QUOTE] ahaha oh god it's like you're literally made of slippery slopes no i'm not gonna set fire to people because killing someone in horrific agony is not comparable [I]to splashing them with water[/I] holy fuck how do you not get this

[QUOTE=Cone;40411655]ahaha oh god it's like you're literally made of slippery slopes no i'm not gonna set fire to people because killing someone in horrific agony is not comparable [I]to splashing them with water[/I] holy fuck how do you not get this[/QUOTE] how do you not get the definition of assault? "At Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact." you guys are literally arguing that it is okay to assault people based on their religious affiliation.

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[QUOTE=omggrass;40411685]how do you not get the definition of assault? "At Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact."[/QUOTE] still not in any way comparable btw

[QUOTE=omggrass;40411685]how do you not get the definition of assault? "At Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact."[/QUOTE] and you think that splashing someone with water and setting fire to someone would get the same sentencing? (if the person splashed with water pressed charges, because it's so not a big deal)

[QUOTE=omggrass;40411685]how do you not get the definition of assault? "At Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact."[/QUOTE] Actually, we went over this. It's not technically [I]assault [/I]in Belgium (it's some other crime), although it definitely is in the US and a lot of other countries.

[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40411708]Actually, we went over this. It's not technically [I]assault [/I]in Belgium (it's some other crime), although it definitely is in the US and a lot of other countries.[/QUOTE] the way these people are talking it seems like this behavior is tolerated everywhere.

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;40411467]He didn't call anyone stupid. He said that tolerating intolerance is stupid. You've got a pretty interesting persecution complex there, buddy. Also, his post is perfectly relevant to this thread since as of late a lot of people have started using this stupid "not tolerating bigots makes you as bad as them" logic. Just read the thread (without ideological blindfold). no omggrass (and arguably others) just has a traumatizing history with women not liking him[/QUOTE] Your first god damn post since the one where you say no one is dispariging people for their viewpoint, you do exactly such. God damn. Clearly no hypocrisy here

do you guys just wait till i fall asleep and then post drivel no-ones answered my questions yet and i cant help but feel the reason is because yr dicks and just want to yell at ppl -why is it wrong to assault people in this situation. -why is this method ineffective when its reminding everyone of the horrible vile stuff this dude has said -why is it wrong to be extreme and humiliate people who are part of an institution that humiliates women, homosexuals, and african people everyday? [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] stop saying its wrong, we c yr opinion tell me why its wrong so at least yr opinion has intellectual content tia

I expect to see catholic priests running naked throwing holy water at feminist leaders at their gatherings. in fact lets just get some water guns and settle this once and for all.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40411991]-why is it wrong to assault people in this situation.[/quote] Because assaulting someone that has diverging opinion is dumb and animalistic. [QUOTE=thisispain;40411991]-why is this method ineffective when its reminding everyone of the horrible vile stuff this dude has said[/quote] Because it doesn't remind people of the horrible stuff he has said, it just reminds them that FEMEN are horrible people. [QUOTE=thisispain;40411991]-why is it wrong to be extreme and humiliate people who are part of an institution that humiliates women, homosexuals, and african people everyday?[/quote] Okay so first of, African people ? [url=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-I7ZL275VCHs/Ty6GiVzvpUI/AAAAAAAAAco/GFH52dc8izU/s1600/map-of-religions-of-africa.jpg]Half of Africa is christian by now[/url]. Second, it's wrong because being humiliating people like this is not going to bring anything new. All it does it put you to the same level as them. And what the hell is up with your writing

[QUOTE=thisispain;40411991]do you guys just wait till i fall asleep and then post drivel no-ones answered my questions yet and i cant help but feel the reason is because yr dicks and just want to yell at ppl -why is it wrong to assault people in this situation. -why is this method ineffective when its reminding everyone of the horrible vile stuff this dude has said -why is it wrong to be extreme and humiliate people who are part of an institution that humiliates women, homosexuals, and african people everyday? [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] stop saying its wrong, we c yr opinion tell me why its wrong so at least yr opinion has intellectual content tia[/QUOTE] Could you please type a bit less cancer inducing?

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40412112]Could you please type a bit less cancer inducing?[/QUOTE] I could say the same of you.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;40412087]Because assaulting someone that has diverging opinion is dumb and animalistic.[/QUOTE] why i dont agree try to convince me thats how debates work [QUOTE=Ganerumo;40412087]Because it doesn't remind people of the horrible stuff he has said[/QUOTE] i googled it, i imagine lots of other people would google it as well? how is that not a reminder? we're talking about him right now, i can guarantee you we wouldnt have if it wasnt for femen. [QUOTE=Ganerumo;40412087]Okay so first of, African people ? [url=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-I7ZL275VCHs/Ty6GiVzvpUI/AAAAAAAAAco/GFH52dc8izU/s1600/map-of-religions-of-africa.jpg]Half of Africa is christian by now[/url]. Second, it's wrong because being humiliating people like this is not going to bring anything new. All it does it put you to the same level as them.[/QUOTE] half of africa is christian by now sure but they still get humiliated by being told that their plight is not from the fact that they are oppressed and taken advantage of but because its gods collective judgement and they should be happy about it, not to mention the fact that the catholic stand on contraception and condoms has resulted in the deaths of people and their involvement with the anti-homosexuality laws in (for example) uganda is absolutely disgusting and shows the catholic church will lie and cheat and steal and not care how many gays get killed or oppressed. and what levels? levels dont exist. you cant quantify levels. even if you could placing the catholic church on the same level as femen shows you dont know anything about either [QUOTE=Ganerumo;40412087]And what the hell is up with your writing[/QUOTE] can you read the writing on this *shows arse* [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40412112]Could you please type a bit less cancer inducing?[/QUOTE] LOL cancer

Seriously just think for a second about what happened. First of, they did this to support that one Tunisian blogger who showed her tits and said her body belonged only to her. They already tried to support this by burning shit and doing a "topless jihad", and a lot of muslim responded by telling them to fuck off because Femen had no right to tell them what to think. Second, what is this going to accomplish ? that bishop certainly isn't going to change his mind about anything, people supporting that bishop certainly aren't going to change their mind about it, people supporting feminism will just keep supporting feminism, people not liking femen will just keep believing femen is a bunch of cunts, and supporters of femen will keep on circlejerking around how awesome topless protesters throwing water at people are apparently. It's not going to "raise awareness" because everyone is aware of the issue and have already picked a side, and they are not going to change their mind over a bunch of crazed topless women throwing water at people.

Personally I think they would get their point across better if they were not always acting as aggressors. I understand why they are angry, people should be angry about homophobia, I just think that if they had taken a slightly calmer approach they would have less opposition. I know in my hometown peaceful topless protesting against sexism have been a big success, the event was announced a few days in advance and lots of individuals came out to support the cause (both men and women). Unlike this event the one in my town had no "victim" of the protest so more people were willing to openly discuss the reasoning of the protesters. Which one would you rather be a supporter of? [t]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0gNSM_HEtbQ/TlGuJHegecI/AAAAAAAAAF8/2kuU9PAkjLs/s1600/IMG_9068.JPG[/t] [t]http://imageasheville.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/GoTopless-Asheville-P012r.jpg[/t] [t]http://imoutragednow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/topless-protest.jpg[/t] Or [t]http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2013/04/24/1226628/596127-topless-protesters.jpg[/t] [t]http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/04/24/1226628/595766-topless-protesters.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;40412304] First of, they did this to support that one Tunisian blogger who showed her tits and said her body belonged only to her.[/QUOTE] no they didnt [QUOTE=Ganerumo;40412304]supporters of femen will keep on circlejerking around how awesome topless protesters throwing water at people are apparently.[/QUOTE] im trying to understand why you are posting it seems you arent aware of the irony of asking "what is this going to accomplish" while being a total arse-blaster and saying everyone's circlejerking i can assure u im not circlejerking because i dont give a fuck, i agree with femen in this situation and i thank them for making me aware of the dumb shit this bishop has said. [QUOTE=Ganerumo;40412304]It's not going to "raise awareness" because everyone is aware of the issue and have already picked a side, and they are not going to change their mind over a bunch of crazed topless women throwing water at people.[/QUOTE] [b]everyone is not aware of the issue excuse moi[/b] we wouldnt be aware of this bishop if it wasnt for femen blasting it into this forum with their media breasts of power you are factually wrong please go home back to baggette city [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=imptastick;40412323]Personally I think they would get their point across better if they were not always acting as aggressors. I understand why they are angry, people should be angry about homophobia, I just think that if they had taken a slightly calmer approach they would have less opposition. I know in my hometown peaceful topless protesting against sexism have been a big success, the event was announced a few days in advance and lots of individuals came out to support the cause (both men and women). Unlike this event the one in my town had no "victim" of the protest so more people were willing to openly discuss the reasoning of the protesters. [/QUOTE] there was no victim in that protest because it wasnt a protest targeted at an individual while this was [QUOTE=imptastick;40412323]Which one would you rather be a supporter of?[/QUOTE] i can be a supporter of both thank you very much

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397854]well that's the fault of the ignorant and privileged who'd rather pretend serious issues don't exist rather than the fault of the activists[/QUOTE] Yes, they're ignorant which is why they must be informed. Assaulting those people with your titties out is not going to do that.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40412369] there was no victim in that protest because it wasnt a protest targeted at an individual while this was i can be a supporter of both thank you very much[/QUOTE] You could just as easily publicly protest an individual without physically going after them. I have no problem with their motive, only their methodologies. I am not trying to step on any toes, I am just stating my opinion. As for your second point I was not intending to say that you could not be, I was just suggesting that some people are put off by this sort of protest and it might be better to consider a calmer approach. You are not the people they need to reach out to most, that would be (if you will forgive the phrase) preaching to the choir. I think for general public relations a protest like the one in my town might be more successful.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40411460]what is wrong with you people and stupid comparisons, seriously in the 1 day span of this thread, femen splashing water over a dude whose organization he's the head of been oppressing homosexuals and women has been compared to: boston bombing torture crude oil picketing funerals of innocent people did all of you guys have traumatizing history with being splashed with water, jesus fucking christ or do you dislike women cause you were 'friendzoned' and believe every women loves to claim to being a rape victim on a whim[/QUOTE] I'm not going to get into a massive argument with you over this, because seriously, some of the people who have been arguing are fucking morons. But calling this action "terrorism" is actually valid (instead of say, comparing it to bombings). The activists involved attacked someone (even if it was water, they didn't request the splashing, it's an attack with malice). Attacking people to convince them to stop what they are doing/ change their viewpoint/ spread a message, without warning, is pretty terror inducing for the target/ victim (I'm very unsure how much of a victim he deserves to be recognized, he was attacked after all, but he does represent awful things). I'm all for what FEMEN are trying to bring attention to, but holy shit their methods are terrible. People don't see them as "women fighting for rights", even with banners and shit at the things they do. They see them as "crazy women who keep starting shit". Yeah, normal protests wouldn't gain as much attention as straight up attacking people. But attacking people does make you look fucking insane. Peaceful protest, say, blocking something important? That would get your message across without you looking like raving lunatics. People criticizing FEMEN aren't instantly misogynist heterosexual white males with all the privilege. Believing this makes you a fucking tool. It's perfectly fine to criticize them for their actions. Have you ever considered that these people support the cause but just don't think FEMEN are going about it the right way?

[QUOTE=imptastick;40412432]You could just as easily publicly protest an individual without physically going after them. I have no problem with their motive, only their methodologies. I am not trying to step on any toes, I am just stating my opinion. As for your second point I was not intending to say that you could not be, I was just suggesting that some people are put off by this sort of protest and it might be better to consider a calmer approach. You are not the people they need to reach out to most, that would be (if you will forgive the phrase) preaching to the choir. I think for general public relations, a protest like the one in my town might be more successful.[/QUOTE] fair enough, but i disagree on the grounds that femen engages in historically and media relevant performance art, which will be far more prominent than any protest for instance we didnt get to hear about the protest you are referring to. i think this is an important thing to note. [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;40412462] The activists involved attacked someone (even if it was water, they didn't request the splashing, it's an attack with malice)[/QUOTE] malice means intent to harm they used water because they DIDNT want to attack someone with malice

[QUOTE=thisispain;40412484]fair enough, but i disagree on the grounds that femen engages in historically and media relevant performance art, which will be far more prominent than any protest for instance we didnt get to hear about the protest you are referring to. i think this is an important thing to note.[/QUOTE] I can respect that, like I said I was only stating an opinion I am not going to pretend like I am well informed enough to start claiming my view is better than any others.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40412484]malice means intent to harm they used water because they DIDNT want to attack someone with malice[/QUOTE] Okay fine, wrong word. There was some form of aggression in the attack at the least. It wasn't something accidental, it wasn't something that just happened. It was planned, and I can't think of a fitting word for that at all right now for some reason. Fuck.

[QUOTE=imptastick;40412506]I can respect that, like I said I was only stating an opinion I am not going to pretend like I am well informed enough to start claiming my view is better than any others.[/QUOTE] fuck that shit destroy anyone who stands in your way; thread debates arent any good unless they end in tears [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] kill KILL KILL