Femen members throw water at arch bishop during speech - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40397903]I'm almost a hundred percent sure that if you threw water at a womans chest, you would have a field day yelling at that person for their sexist assault[/QUOTE] because i'm almost 100% sure if you were specifically trying to throw water on a womans chest your a creep trying to see her nipples

[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40397891]I'm not sure how EU law works for this (or even which country this was since the article doesn't say), but I know in the US that this would be considered "simple assault".[/QUOTE] Yeah it would, if you use the legal term, anything that is hurtful or offensively touching or making contact with you is assault. Grabbing someones crotch is sexual assault, attacking someone with water in order to cause offense, even if it sounds ridiculous, is assault.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397902]yeah nice comparing splashing water on someone in the name of equal rights for gays and women to someone blowing up random people and shooting cops in the name of religious fanaticism, totally makes sense[/QUOTE] You are missing the point. It got attention to his issue. It's true the means were more brutal, but the amount of attention is leagues bigger as well. The connection between both is that they are both reckless and the attention they bring is negative.

all i ever hear from people who agree with FEMEN is that people with privilege shouldn't have a say in anything as their privilege blinds them. i hate to say it but anyone who posts on the internet is "privileged". if you can read, write, and count you are "privileged". if you can call a friend on a phone you are "privileged". if you are allowed to walk around freely you are "privileged". jeez these people seem to think if you are a white male you automatically get a free pass for your whole life and never struggle with anything. it's kinda sickening... welp off to paying back my 15k$ worth of student loans.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;40397725]Interestingly, wearing a bra all the time means muscles in a woman's breasts that keep them perky don't develop properly so actually they do the opposite.[/QUOTE] I call bullshit. Have you ever seen tribal women ? They have no bras they're tits are like dangling tube socks.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;40397907]They have successfully brought attention to women's issues in Europe, particularly Ukraine, where women are vastly underrepresented.[/QUOTE] So where's the study that would support the fact that women's issues in Ukraine are getting better thanks to FEMEN's actions?

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40397904]how the fuck do you miss their message[/QUOTE] I don't miss their message, I just can't make up what they're trying to accomplish with their actions. As I said before, their actions overpower their initial cause. When someone says FEMEN, they don't think "oh yeah, those people who are running for the equal rights of the sexual minorities", no, they possibly think "oh those people who run around naked and shout stuff about homophobia and shit". I see a problem with that. I'm all for equality, but you don't achieve anything with these actions.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40397915]You are missing the point. It got attention to his issue. It's true the means were more brutal, but the amount of attention is leagues bigger as well. The connection between both is that they are both reckless and the attention they bring is negative.[/QUOTE] it's ridiculous that you're trying to compare non-violent protest (and nope i'm not gonna consider vandalism or splashing water on people violence) for civil rights to a terrorist attack. stop it.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397897]brussels, belgium. i looked it up and there has to be intent to harm for it to be considered assault in the EU[/QUOTE] I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't have any laws this breaks. Where are you getting their laws from?

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40397922]So where's the study that would support the fact that women's issues in Ukraine are getting better thanks to FEMEN's actions?[/QUOTE] dude they are batshit on both sides, each one perpetuating the other. there will be no end to this.

hey malcolm x, you know who ELSE used passionate speeches to gain support for his cause?! ADOLF HITLER

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397925](and nope i'm not gonna consider vandalism or splashing water on people violence)[/QUOTE] Then you are simply blind and ignorant, send of the story. The degree is different, the sentiment is the same.

[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40397929]I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't have any laws this breaks. Where are you getting their laws from?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.europeansourcebook.org/chapter_0/app2.pdf[/url] i just found it on google though

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40397915]You are missing the point. It got attention to his issue. It's true the means were more brutal, but the amount of attention is leagues bigger as well. The connection between both is that they are both reckless and the attention they bring is negative.[/QUOTE] its not a fucking analogy cause one is throwing water and one is bombing shit, it doesnt matter if you connect it in a stupid way, because it's not a comparison, it can't ever be you see it as negative, i see it actually forcing the media to report it rather than wash it down with other news and make people believe sexism is over

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40397875]point is, FEMEN isn't there to be one of the many feminists that can ignored cause media and society could give less shit about them to the point we forget women actually have both economic & social issues to face, or worse: we do know but could give less shit due to apathy FEMEN does things controversial but harmless things so the news actually fucking picks it up and run it which in turn people read why FEMEN is doing it, learning their motives, and get reminded that women are still facing problem some people actually think sexism is over!!![/QUOTE] Really? Stop kidding yourself, I think you know as well as I most men see FEMEN in the news and think "She's got nice tits," and really don't give two shits about what they're saying or doing, and most women probably look at them and think "What an embarrassment," and the majority of both genders that know what FEMEN is trying to do will likely look at them and think, "What the hell do they expect to accomplish acting this ridiculous?" I don't think there is a single government who even remotely considers the opinions of FEMEN when making any kind of law or policy, which means they are accomplishing nothing, and their antics are getting them ignored and dismissed as radicalists and extremists.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40397922]So where's the study that would support the fact that women's issues in Ukraine are getting better thanks to FEMEN's actions?[/QUOTE] Yes, let me pull out the universal "Rate of Women's Representation in Society" chart that shows how much of an effect FEMEN has had on Ukrainian politics. I doesn't matter. They are an activist group. Not lawmakers. If they are bringing attention to a subject even in countries where they aren't even acting, like the US, they have already succeeded.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40397939]Then you are simply blind and ignorant, send of the story. The degree is different, the sentiment is the same.[/QUOTE] pike off, the sentiment is entirely different 'i'm going to put on an attention drawing display of non violence to speak out about the inequalities for gays and women in christian society' 'i'm going to blow up a bunch of people in the name of radical islam' yeah man ok

I get their message and all that, but I don't quite understand why they're directing their protests at the Catholic church. They're not required to participate in any of the churches activities, so why not focus on groups that actually affect them(ie their Government)?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397910]because i'm almost 100% sure if you were specifically trying to throw water on a womans chest your a creep trying to see her nipples[/QUOTE] oh so there's specific reasons it's okay to do it against men though i'm just trying to figure out your hypocrisy here

[QUOTE=Hullu V3;40397924]I don't miss their message, I just can't make up what they're trying to accomplish with their actions. As I said before, their actions overpower their initial cause. When someone says FEMEN, they don't think "oh yeah, those people who are running for the equal rights of the sexual minorities", no, they possibly think "oh those people who run around naked and shout stuff about homophobia and shit". I see a problem with that. I'm all for equality, but you don't achieve anything with these actions.[/QUOTE] [B]you[/B] see it as that, i didn't, others didn't, you see where this is going their job is to bring into light that sexism is still an issue, they use shock factor to get media to notice them like i said: when was the last time you honestly without googling it right now just to prove me wrong, heard of feminism or women's right issue that didn't involve rape with countries that has brown people

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397952]pike off, the sentiment is entirely different 'i'm going to put on an attention drawing display of non violence to speak out about the inequalities for gays and women in christian society' 'i'm going to blow up a bunch of people in the name of radical islam' yeah man ok[/QUOTE] femen doesn't do the first one if that is indeed their goal they just suck at getting their point across I guess

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40397954]oh so there's specific reasons it's okay to do it against men though i'm just trying to figure out your hypocrisy here[/QUOTE] no there's a specific reason why it's okay to do it to an official of the catholic church. [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40397958]femen doesn't do the first one if that is indeed their goal they just suck at getting their point across I guess[/QUOTE] NO YOU JUST SUCK AT PAYING ATTENTION TO A POINT BECAUSE YOU'D RATHER JUST IGNORE REAL ISSUES AND FOCUS ON WHY IT'S OKAY TO ABUSE MEN WITH WATER [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] AS THOUGH THAT'S SOME HUGE INJUSTICE

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397940][url]http://www.europeansourcebook.org/chapter_0/app2.pdf[/url] i just found it on google though[/QUOTE] First paragraph: [QUOTE]The offence definitions given hereafter are operational, not legal definitions (‘standard’ definitions). They were devised so as to allow national correspondents to provide the necessary data for their countries and to specify the scope of the statistical (and legal) definitions underlying their (police and conviction) statistics.[/QUOTE] Looking at their site, this doesn't seem to be a legal definition, the legal definitions are different across the EU (so there's no "EU law" per say), and the definition used was to help make their statistics standard for every country included.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40397942]its not a fucking analogy cause one is throwing water and one is bombing shit, it doesnt matter if you connect it in a stupid way, because it's not a comparison, it can't ever be you see it as negative, i see it actually forcing the media to report it rather than wash it down with other news and make people believe sexism is over[/QUOTE] I dont think anyone here, or anyone who has a marginal amount of intelligence, ever said "sexism is over" Thats like saying the media is saying racism is over. Just because every day isnt a report about women's rights, doesnt mean they are "washing it down with other news".

[QUOTE=Gordy H.;40397953]I get their message and all that, but I don't quite understand why they're directing their protests at the Catholic church. They're not required to participate in any of the churches activities, so why not focus on groups that actually affect them(ie their Government)?[/QUOTE] They bring attention to the issues, not change.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397959]no there's a specific reason why it's okay to do it to an official of the catholic church.[/QUOTE] i don't give a shit, if it's wrong for one it's wrong for all don't make an exception i'm no fan of the catholic church but if you demand fair treament, then you do the same as your cause states others should do

[QUOTE=omggrass;40397916]all i ever hear from people who agree with FEMEN is that people with privilege shouldn't have a say in anything as their privilege blinds them. i hate to say it but anyone who posts on the internet is "privileged". if you can read, write, and count you are "privileged". if you can call a friend on a phone you are "privileged". if you are allowed to walk around freely you are "privileged". jeez these people seem to think if you are a white male you automatically get a free pass for your whole life and never struggle with anything. it's kinda sickening... welp off to paying back my 15k$ worth of student loans.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=omggrass;39704436]okay, here's my experience with the friend-zone. it's when a girl has a fight with her current boyfriend and jumps on the closest nice guy and uses him as an emotional tampon, expecting him to be there for her at all times and never receive anything in return. wait scratch that, she's "entitled" to this guy and he has to buy her dinner/gifts/ect or hes not her "friend". also on a personal note i decided i didn't want to be her "friend" anymore, i told her to fuck off and didn't speak or make eye contact with her again, there are LOTS of other girls. i see this happen to guys all the time though, a girl gets dumped and they parasitically latch onto the nearest nice guy for free emotional/physical goods without having to give anything back in return, and if the guy complains he's a misogynist...[/QUOTE] heres how much i give a poo about your opinon: 0

Saying that terrorist bombings are the same as dousing someone with water isn't normal. But in FEMEN threads it is.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397959]no there's a specific reason why it's okay to do it to an official of the catholic church. [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] NO YOU JUST SUCK AT PAYING ATTENTION TO A POINT BECAUSE YOU'D RATHER JUST IGNORE REAL ISSUES AND FOCUS ON WHY IT'S OKAY TO ABUSE MEN WITH WATER [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] AS THOUGH THAT'S SOME HUGE INJUSTICE[/QUOTE] yell more, you're clearly getting your point across I understand what they are there for with or without you to tell me. It doesn't mean I believe they are effective as feminists, or as people trying to create intelligent conversation

[QUOTE=Raidyr;40397950]Yes, let me pull out the universal "Rate of Women's Representation in Society" chart that shows how much of an effect FEMEN has had on Ukrainian politics. I doesn't matter. They are an activist group. Not lawmakers. If they are bringing attention to a subject even in countries where they aren't even acting, like the US, they have already succeeded.[/QUOTE] And I will pull a graph which supports me reading a book correlates with the literacy rates in the world. The fact there is theoretically connection as well as correlation doesn't warrant causation, in any case.