Femen members throw water at arch bishop during speech - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397935]hey malcolm x, you know who ELSE used passionate speeches to gain support for his cause?! ADOLF HITLER[/QUOTE] Didn't Malcolm X become associated with radical terrorist groups?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;40397974]Saying that terrorist bombings are the same as dousing someone with water isn't normal. But in FEMEN threads it is.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://images.politico.com/global/2013/04/21/130421_jeff_bauman_boston_bombing_ap_605.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/04/24/1226628/595766-topless-protesters.jpg[/IMG] LOOK AT THAT, ITS THE SAME THING, FEMEN ARE DANGEROUS TERRORISTS

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397952]pike off, the sentiment is entirely different 'i'm going to put on an attention drawing display of non violence to speak out about the inequalities for gays and women in christian society' 'i'm going to blow up a bunch of people in the name of radical islam' yeah man ok[/QUOTE] No, the sentiment is the same. "I will hurt people. I will be on the TV. People will see that I am hurting people who I perceive as against my case."

who cares about the politics of it, someone publicly soaked a priest in water and that is very amusing

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40397979]yell more, you're clearly getting your point across I understand what they are there for with or without you to tell me. It doesn't mean I believe they are effective as feminists, or as people trying to create intelligent conversation[/QUOTE] you understand what they are there for, that's good then, you understand that there is an issue so femen has done their job

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40397989]No, the sentiment is the same. "I will hurt people. I will be on the TV. People will see that I am hurting people who I perceive as against my case."[/QUOTE] cause showing your tits and dousing water is the same thing as hurting people how many times a day do you browse /r/theredpill

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40397956][B]you[/B] see it as that, i didn't, others didn't, you see where this is going their job is to bring into light that sexism is still an issue, they use shock factor to get media to notice them like i said: when was the last time you honestly without googling it right now just to prove me wrong, heard of feminism or women's right issue that didn't involve rape with countries that has brown people[/QUOTE] Just today I saw a teeny tiny headline in the local newspaper with the title "Bare breasted activists interrupt arch bishops speech" and as you might have guessed it, it was an article about this. And what come to that "I did, you did, I didn't, they didn't" subject, it works both ways. Some people see it exactly like me, and some people don't, big whoop. MY point is, like I've said many times, is the fact that they draw attention to their actions more than their cause. A typical article about FEMEN goes something like this: A group of radical feminists did the action X to a person/whatever Y and it resulted in Z And in the last sentence there might be something about WHY they did it and what they were hoping to accomplish.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40397956][B]you[/B] see it as that, i didn't, others didn't, you see where this is going their job is to bring into light that sexism is still an issue, they use shock factor to get media to notice them like i said: when was the last time you honestly without googling it right now just to prove me wrong, heard of feminism or women's right issue that didn't involve rape with countries that has brown people[/QUOTE] Show me a research that will support that majority people approve of FEMEN's actions and I will concede.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40397982]Didn't Malcolm X become associated with radical terrorist groups?[/QUOTE] very well read on your civil rights history arent ya

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397959] NO YOU JUST SUCK AT PAYING ATTENTION TO A POINT BECAUSE YOU'D RATHER JUST IGNORE REAL ISSUES AND FOCUS ON WHY IT'S OKAY TO ABUSE MEN WITH WATER [/QUOTE] I don't think anyone here has seriously been supporting homophobia or misogyny. We just disagree with FEMEN's methods. [QUOTE=lolwutdude;40397973]heres how much i give a poo about your opinon: 0[/QUOTE] So, he had one opinion you don't like, therefore anything he says is wrong? That's not fallacious at all, right?

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40397989]No, the sentiment is the same. "I will hurt people. I will be on the TV. People will see that I am hurting people who I perceive as against my case."[/QUOTE] How can you possibly still be defending this position holy shit. On the one hand, pressure cookers full of blackpowder and nails. On the other, water. Not even water bottles. [I]The liquid form of water. [/I]

[QUOTE=Hullu V3;40397815]Maybe it's just me, but I have a real fucking hard time taking FEMEN seriously in any way, just because how they handle their protests. If they would express their opinions in [B]civilized[/B] matter, I and other people might see them in different light. Now they're just pissed off bitches who are not making any difference to anything. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what has FEMEN ever accomplished?[/QUOTE] I do believe you miss the entire point of FEMEN and their effective - if unconventional - tactics. Civil discourse seldom gets results. When you want the public's eye on a certain important issue, there are two ways to accomplish it. One, stage a radical and attention-getting protest (which is what they're doing) and two, kill a lot of people and leave a manifesto. I think I prefer their method better.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;40397982]Didn't Malcolm X become associated with radical terrorist groups?[/QUOTE] Yeah the Nation of Islam or something He also preached how blacks should be in higher powers than whites and both races seperated. Malcom X was one crazy dude when he was in that group

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397996]you understand what they are there for, that's good then, you understand that there is an issue so femen has done their job[/QUOTE] Uh No. You're assuming that femen in anyway alerted me to feminist idealogy or the plight of women. Wrong. I don't know of people besides feminists who act like Femen is acheiving their goal so you still think that it's okay to throw water at men, but not women, right? it's assault one way but not the other?

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40397989]No, the sentiment is the same. "I will hurt people. I will be on the TV. People will see that I am hurting people who I perceive as against my case."[/QUOTE] yes i'm sure a member of a religion in which dousing people with water is an integral part is very hurt by it. if they were using acid maybe i'd give you a little slack

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40398001]Show me a research that will support that majority people approve of FEMEN's actions and I will concede.[/QUOTE] good thing i never said majority people approved anything!1 FEMEN isn't there to be approved or to be liked, they're there to remind people sexism is still an issue by getting into the media doing harmless stuff but hey, you believe dousing water has the same intent as bombing and maiming numerous human beings, is there a point arguing with you?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40398014]yes i'm sure a member of a religion in which dousing people with water is an integral part is very hurt by it. if they were using acid maybe i'd give you a little slack[/QUOTE] It. Doesn't. Matter. If you'd claim a woman was harmed by it, then why isn't a man

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;40398009]Yeah the Nation of Islam or something He also preached how blacks should be in higher powers than whites and both races seperated. Malcom X was one crazy dude when he was in that group[/QUOTE] and he was murdered by the nation of islam when he left the group and denounced radicalism and violence

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40397999]cause showing your tits and dousing water is the same thing as hurting people how many times a day do you browse /r/theredpill[/QUOTE] Go sprint into your favourite political summit and douse your political representative of choice with water. Report your results.

Am I the only one who thinks this is hilarious as hell? Just imagine being an arch bishop, bishoping it up when suddenly topless women run in, throw water at you while screaming :v: [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40397720]So protesting now includes physical assault eh?[/QUOTE] [I]they poured water on him[/I], it may count as assault (psst it doesn't), but it's literally as dangerous as rain

[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40397827]They cut down a giant cross once.[/QUOTE] a cross set up by an incredibly homophobic, anti-semetic, and sexist church the orthodox church had a direct hand in fueling the kind of disgusting demagoguery that has existed towards jewish people for hundreds of years and continues till this day

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40397989]No, the sentiment is the same. "I will hurt people. I will be on the TV. People will see that I am hurting people who I perceive as against my case."[/QUOTE] I wish I could throw water on you.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40398020]It. Doesn't. Matter. If you'd claim a woman was harmed by it, then why isn't a man[/QUOTE] i didn't claim a women was harmed by it, i made a non-existent reason for your non-existent situation

[QUOTE=archangel125;40398007]Civil discourse seldom gets results. When you want the public's eye on a certain important issue, there are two ways to accomplish it. One, stage a radical and attention-getting protest (which is what they're doing) and two, kill a lot of people and leave a manifesto. I think I prefer their method better.[/QUOTE] That's quite a false dichotomy. It's not "either this or they start killing every Catholic they find", and FEMEN's current method isn't the only type of attention-getting protest. [QUOTE=thisispain;40398028]a cross set up by an incredibly homophobic, anti-semetic, and sexist church the orthodox church had a direct hand in fueling the kind of disgusting demagoguery that has existed towards jewish people for hundreds of years and continues till this day[/QUOTE] Because the law doesn't apply when your crime was against a bigot.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40398023]Go sprint into your favourite political summit and douse your political representative of choice with water. Report your results.[/QUOTE] no, i'll just go bomb the white house because you taught me they're the same thing

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40398031]i didn't claim a women was harmed by it, i made a non-existent reason for your non-existent situation[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]no there's a specific reason why it's okay to do it to an official of the catholic church.[/QUOTE] no you gave a reason as to why it's specifically okay in a situation and didn't you say earlier as well as how throwing water at a woman made you a creepy fuck?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397996]you understand what they are there for, that's good then, you understand that there is an issue so femen has done their job[/QUOTE] Most people already knew there was an issue from history class talking about Women's Suffrage in the '20s and the point in the '60s when feminism emerged, FEMEN didn't teach anybody about the issues women face, and most people who see them do whatever don't learn anything and if they know about women's issues often see FEMEN as going about this in the entirely wrong way.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40398022]and he was murdered by the nation of islam when he left the group and denounced radicalism and violence[/QUOTE] Yeah, I was referring to when he was in the NoI, which even he thought was batshit insane when he left.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40398038]no you gave a reason as to why it's specifically okay in a situation[/QUOTE] if she was a nun i'd feel the same does that make it all better?

Femen isn't planting bombs. They're not taking hostages or hijacking planes. They're targeting certain prominent public officials to humiliate them and make an impression - Not so that the officials change their mind, but so that the people take a close look at said officials and the wrongs they have committed/allowed to be committed. I fully support and approve of their actions, because there's really no better way to draw attention to a cause. Even if the skeptical and the casually misogynistic on this forum scoff at it. [B]Yes, it's illegal to throw water at people. In some countries, that can be considered assault. And that's the whole point. These women are willing to risk arrest and detention to draw attention to their cause and make an impression on the public, and at the end of the day, nobody died or lost a limb or was crippled for life. More power to them.[/B]