Femen members throw water at arch bishop during speech - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40398506]Of course, that's why talcum powder used to have asbestos in it. To make the babies fireproof, and therefore extra safe![/QUOTE] do go on [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SuddenImpact;40398525]You mean attention about a topic that everyone knows about?[/QUOTE] everyone knows about it? what did Andre-Joseph Leonard say that was homophobic? without googling

How does being topless help their cause at all? I don't get it. Maybe I'm just missing something...

Apparently he compared HIV and homosexuality to smoking and cancer. While this guy clearly deserves no power at all to influence society I don't really think that splashing some water will make any difference. [QUOTE=Bridger;40398547]How does being topless help their cause at all? I don't get it. Maybe I'm just missing something...[/QUOTE] Sex sells.

[QUOTE=Bridger;40398547]How does being topless help their cause at all? I don't get it. Maybe I'm just missing something...[/QUOTE] it makes a bigger impact

[QUOTE=Bridger;40398547]How does being topless help their cause at all? I don't get it. Maybe I'm just missing something...[/QUOTE] it's symbolism

FEMEN, making suffragettes turn in their graves.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;40398927]FEMEN, making suffragettes turn in their graves.[/QUOTE] you should read up on the suffragettes femen hasnt tried to burn down the houses of MPs, not yet at least

[QUOTE=Bridger;40398547]How does being topless help their cause at all? I don't get it. Maybe I'm just missing something...[/QUOTE] I think it's playing the game of patriarchy to do so, perpetuating the idea that women have to sexualize themselves to be heard/considered

[QUOTE=thisispain;40398945]you should read up on the suffragettes femen hasnt tried to burn down the houses of MPs, not yet at least[/QUOTE] The arson only came after they were force fed in prison and beaten into the ground by police for marching.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40398958]I think it's playing the game of patriarchy to do so, perpetuating the idea that women have to sexualize themselves to be heard/considered[/QUOTE] it's not about sexualizing themselves, it's about self empowerment, think of it as similar to bra burning

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;40398990]The arson only came after they were force fed in prison and beaten into the ground by police for marching.[/QUOTE] no some of them where other suffragettes just wanted to burn some shit and fuck up some mailboxes

[QUOTE=thisispain;40399089]no some of them where other suffragettes just wanted to burn some shit and fuck up some mailboxes[/QUOTE] True, in every group there's their fair share of nutjobs.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40398958]I think it's playing the game of patriarchy to do so, perpetuating the idea that women have to sexualize themselves to be heard/considered[/QUOTE] You might be looking way too deep into it You're like my AP Lit teacher

Just makes me sympathise with the priest and think less of FEMEN, even though I agree with the latter. Does FEMEN do anything productive to promote their values? I only ever hear about them antagonising people, but maybe that's just because that is only what is reported.

[QUOTE=Riutet;40399257]Just makes me sympathise with the priest and think less of FEMEN, even though I agree with the latter. Does FEMEN do anything productive to promote their values? I only ever hear about them antagonising people, but maybe that's just because that is only what is reported.[/QUOTE] Not really, they just show up and physically assault people, burn shit down, insult everyone and call for patriarchist injustice when they get arrested. But apparently for some people because they fight "bigotry" (which sounds like a massive getaway word you'd use when you don't actually have an argument) it's all right and good.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;40399283]because they fight "bigotry" (which sounds like a massive getaway word you'd use when you don't actually have an argument) [/QUOTE] no clue wtf that even means

[QUOTE=thisispain;40399301]no clue wtf that even means[/QUOTE] Example of what I mean : [QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397718]i don't see anything particularly rabid or bitchy about protesting against bigotry[/QUOTE] Whenever one gets presented with an argument, first and last response is "muh bigots" and that's about it.

Femen semen haha

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;40399314] Whenever one gets presented with an argument, first and last response is "muh bigots" and that's about it.[/QUOTE] that wasnt his first or last response u cock and "muh bigots" isnt even using the fucking meme properly

[QUOTE=Yahnich;40399340]except they are rather nonviolently protesting against the archbishop's blatant bigotry (calling homosexuality abnormal and comparable to anorexia and saying homosexuality leads to AIDS similar to how smoking leads to cancer etc)[/QUOTE] Homosexuality is abnormal though. There's nothing really wrong with thinking it's wrong, especially if you follow a doctrine that claims it to be so, if you have to change your doctrine because of social pressure your doctrine is compromised. However just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you should oppose equal rights for homosexuals, as homosexuality is a consensual act and is victimless, just let them live apart from you.

thats awful

[QUOTE=Riutet;40399404]Homosexuality is abnormal though. [/QUOTE] no its not? its been quite consistently normal and a part of human sexuality [QUOTE=Riutet;40399404] if you have to change your doctrine because of social pressure your doctrine is compromised.[/QUOTE] were talking about the catholic church here; compromise of docterine has been its mo for a very very long time

[QUOTE=Riutet;40399404]if you have to change your doctrine because of social pressure your doctrine is compromised.[/QUOTE] also known as being a fucking adult and realizing that you might be wrong

[QUOTE=thisispain;40399434]no its not? its been quite consistently normal and a part of human sexuality[/quote] Seems like a deviation to me, especially since one of the key purposes of sex, albeit not the only, is reproduction and homosexuality does not result in that, the rate of homosexuality is significantly lower than the rate of heterosexuality that also, hence abnormality. [quote]were talking about the catholic church here; compromise of docterine has been its mo for a very very long time[/QUOTE] I understand, but I think it's a cop out to re-interpret doctrine because of social pressure, if you claim something is the word of some being with supreme authority but the human interpretation is lacking and subject to improvement, then at some point through constant re-interpretation to suit social expectations you've got doctrine that is more of a reflection of society but not of your authority figure, and thus it loses it's authority, so why follow it.

[QUOTE=Riutet;40399476]Seems like a deviation to me, especially since one of the key purposes of sex, albeit not the only, is reproduction and homosexuality does not result in that.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals[/URL] okay

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397825]'Assault According to the standard definition, assault means inflicting bodily injury on another person with intent. Where possible, the figures exclude : - assault leading to death - threats - only causing pain - slapping/punching - sexual assault. ' according to a pdf on european law i found on google[/QUOTE] Assault has a pretty wide definition and generally wider in common law, where it can often be construed as unwanted physical contact, including contact you do against someone with a thing. (like water you chug at them).

[QUOTE=Cone;40399493][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals[/URL] okay[/QUOTE] I do not see what relevance this has, I am not claiming homosexuality does not occur in animals other than humans, I am claiming it happens at a significantly lower rate than heterosexuality, if heterosexuality is normal, then that which deviates from that is abnormal. One of the other purposes of sex is the hedonistic aspect of it, of which someone of any sexual orientation can pursue, and if no one is hurt or violated by this then there is no reason to oppose it happening, but you don't necessarily have to accept that it is right, just not harmful.

[QUOTE=Riutet;40399522]I do not see what relevance this has, I am not claiming homosexuality does not occur in animals other than humans, I am claiming it happens at a significantly lower rate than heterosexuality, if heterosexuality is normal, then that which deviates from that is abnormal. One of the other purposes of sex is the hedonistic aspect of it, of which someone of any sexual orientation can pursue, and if no one is hurt or violated by this then there is no reason to oppose it happening, but you don't necessarily have to accept that it is right, just not harmful.[/QUOTE] you're arguing that homosexuality is deviant because it doesn't result in pregnancy. however, if animals, being entirely in-tune with nature, still partake in it, how could it be unnatural or "wrong?" do you have to see plants sucking each other off for you to consider it natural? what makes it deviant?

[QUOTE=Cone;40399546]you're arguing that homosexuality is deviant because it doesn't result in pregnancy.[/quote] "I am claiming it happens at a significantly lower rate than heterosexuality, if heterosexuality is normal, then that which deviates from that is abnormal." I am also saying that one of the purposes of sex is reproduction, not denying that enjoyment is an a major reason for the pursuit of sex, but you could make the argument that the hedonistic aspects of sexuality are merely a means to ensure that the reproduction aspect is more likely to occur. [quote]however, if animals, being entirely in-tune with nature, still partake in it, how could it be unnatural or "wrong?" do you have to see plants sucking each other off for you to consider it natural? what makes it deviant?[/QUOTE] You are putting words into my mouth, I never said it was unnatural, just that it was abnormal.

[QUOTE=Riutet;40399581]You are putting words into my mouth, I never said it was unnatural, just that it was abnormal.[/QUOTE] [I]that's what abnormal means[/I] [QUOTE][URL="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abnormal"]ab·nor·mal (b-nôrml) adj. Not typical, usual, or regular; not normal; deviant.[/URL][/QUOTE]