Femen members throw water at arch bishop during speech - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397868]because people like you would rather focus on tits and making misogynistic comments (rabid bitches). i'm sure there are others who take what they say seriously though[/QUOTE] But the majority of people don't though, which sort of proves the point that their methods aren't very effective

[QUOTE=Cone;40399595][I]that's what abnormal means[/I][/QUOTE] I should have specified that I meant statistically, I apologise.

Don't they know you can only baptise someone if your wearing clothes?

[QUOTE=Riutet;40399581]"I am claiming it happens at a significantly lower rate than heterosexuality, if heterosexuality is normal, then that which deviates from that is abnormal." I am also saying that one of the purposes of sex is reproduction, not denying that enjoyment is an a major reason for the pursuit of sex, but you could make the argument that the hedonistic aspects of sexuality are merely a means to ensure that the reproduction aspect is more likely to occur. You are putting words into my mouth, I never said it was unnatural, just that it was abnormal.[/QUOTE] Biologically, homosexuality is as "normal" (or rather as "natural", considering nothing is unnatural) as heterosexuality. Socially, unfortunately, it isn't.

[QUOTE=Cone;40399595][I]that's what abnormal means[/I][/QUOTE] Abnormal things happen in nature all the time

[QUOTE=Boaraes;40399812]Biologically, homosexuality is as "normal" (or rather as "natural", considering nothing is unnatural) as heterosexuality. Socially, unfortunately, it isn't.[/QUOTE] [quote]nat·u·ral [nach-er-uhl, nach-ruhl] Show IPA adjective 1. existing in or formed by nature[/quote] [quote]nor·mal [nawr-muhl] Show IPA adjective 1. conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.[/quote]

what are you getting at simply posting definitions isn't getting your point across very well. If anything, you're proving my point.

[QUOTE=Riutet;40399404]Homosexuality is abnormal though. There's nothing really wrong with thinking it's wrong, especially if you follow a doctrine that claims it to be so, if you have to change your doctrine because of social pressure your doctrine is compromised. However just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you should oppose equal rights for homosexuals, as homosexuality is a consensual act and is victimless, just let them live apart from you.[/QUOTE] just because it's abnormal doesn't mean it's okay to be against it that's just bigotry that could be used against every minority. there's less indians than whites in my town so there's nothing really wrong with me thinking being indian is wrong, and since i follow the doctrine of white power that claims that to be so it's especially okay because i don't want such a doctrine compromised

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397731]so having water splashed on you is now considered physical assault?[/QUOTE] [img]http://norunnyeggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/birmingham2.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40400019]just because it's abnormal doesn't mean it's okay to be against it that's just bigotry that could be used against every minority. there's less indians than whites in my town so there's nothing really wrong with me thinking being indian is wrong, and since i follow the doctrine of white power that claims that to be so it's especially okay because i don't want such a doctrine compromised[/QUOTE] If you claim your doctrine is derived from divine authority, but change it after you receive enough criticism with the excuse, "well the human interpretation is inherently flawed because we are after all human" what you've got is something too unreliable to be treated as divine authority, and therefore why would you follow it? The choice becomes, do I stick to my views and thus preserve the integrity of my doctrine or do I change my view and thus compromise the integrity of my doctrine.

[QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40400103][img]http://norunnyeggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/birmingham2.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] lol yep high pressure fire hoses are definitely the same thing

[QUOTE=Riutet;40400109]If you claim your doctrine is derived from divine authority, but change it after you receive enough criticism with the excuse, "well the human interpretation is inherently flawed because we are after all human" what you've got is something too unreliable to be treated as divine authority, and therefore why would you follow it? The choice becomes, do I stick to my views and thus preserve the integrity of my doctrine or do I change my view and thus compromise the integrity of my doctrine.[/QUOTE] if your doctrine requires you to oppress minorities then i think the choice is fairly obvious. [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40400103][img]http://norunnyeggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/birmingham2.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] i don't think those water bottles shoot water out with as much force as fire hoses

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40400142]if your doctrine requires you to oppress minorities then i think the choice is fairly obvious.[/QUOTE] If bigotry is part of your doctrine, you must be a bigot, or acknowledge that your doctrine is hugely flawed and is really just an outdated collection of social conventions, which is asking a lot. I do not think bigotry is correct, however I also acknowledge the situation making them change their mind on certain ideas presents.

[QUOTE=Riutet;40400161]If bigotry is part of your doctrine, you must be a bigot, or acknowledge that your doctrine is hugely flawed and is really just an outdated collection of social conventions, which is asking a lot. I do not think bigotry is correct, however I also acknowledge the situation making them change their mind on certain ideas presents.[/QUOTE] it's not asking that much, be a decent human being rather than a dick like your crazy old book/crazy old priest tells you

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40400187]it's not asking that much, be a decent human being rather than a dick like your crazy old book/crazy old priest tells you[/QUOTE] They should keep their views on how they themselves conduct their lives, separate from how they think society should conduct itself. That would be the solution that does the least harm, they can avoid compromising their doctrine, but allow those who do not subscribe to their doctrine to get on with their lives separate from their influence.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40400142]if your doctrine requires you to oppress minorities then i think the choice is fairly obvious. [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] i don't think those water bottles shoot water out with as much force as fire hoses[/QUOTE] Not if Hulk Hogan squeezes the bottle!

[QUOTE=Riutet;40400292]They should keep their views on how they themselves conduct their lives, separate from how they think society should conduct itself. That would be the solution that does the least harm, they can avoid compromising their doctrine, but allow those who do not subscribe to their doctrine to get on with their lives separate from their influence.[/QUOTE] if you actually think that your doctrine (seriously why do we keep using this word) is good or was written by god or whatever, then surely it's your responsibility to spread it rather than keep quiet? i don't think god would appreciate your silence if you really think he's a homophobic cosmic misogynist

[QUOTE=JerryK;40397816]i don't get the point of running around with your tits out[/QUOTE] Shh, don't complain. I'm hoping this trend catches on.

[QUOTE=Cone;40400477]if you actually think that your doctrine (seriously why do we keep using this word) is good or was written by god or whatever, then surely it's your responsibility to spread it rather than keep quiet? i don't think god would appreciate your silence if you really think he's a homophobic cosmic misogynist[/QUOTE] You have to acknowledge that not everyone shares your views, you can impose your beliefs on people who share your system of beliefs and you can try to persuade people to adopt your system of beliefs non-violently, but you should not try to impose your beliefs through law on those who are inherently incompatible with them, because you will create conflict. You can still hold to your beliefs but at the same time let people live apart from you. A democracy is supposed to be a buffer between different individuals to ensure that each one can act how they wish so long as they do not cause direct harm to others who are simply doing the same. I think it's entirely possible to spread your beliefs but at the same time respect the civil rights of other people who do not share your beliefs, in regards to Christianity at least.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40397731]so having water splashed on you is now considered physical assault?[/QUOTE] You don't have to be injured for it to be physical assault. Call it harassment or whatever else you want, the result is the same. The fact is, FEMEN is using tactics and methods which are very similar to those of Westboro Baptist Church and other extremists. I don't care what their ideology is and whether it's considered good or evil or whatever, if you're going to act like an extremist dick, then you are to be considered an extremist dick and treated as such.

[QUOTE=Cone;40399595][I]that's what abnormal means[/I][/QUOTE] Uh, no, it really doesn't. Cancer is natural, it's also not normal. Being born without legs can be natural, but it sure as hell isn't normal either. Using man-made medications is normal, but it isn't natural. They don't mean the same thing at all. Abnormal just means differing from the norm. It makes no statement either way as to what is natural.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;40397771]Fight ignorance and bigotry by ignorance and bigotry. Good job.[/QUOTE] ignorance and bigotry against bigots' beliefs is a good thing [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;40403104]You don't have to be injured for it to be physical assault. Call it harassment or whatever else you want, the result is the same. The fact is, FEMEN is using tactics and methods which are very similar to those of Westboro Baptist Church and other extremists. I don't care what their ideology is and whether it's considered good or evil or whatever, if you're going to act like an extremist dick, then you are to be considered an extremist dick and treated as such.[/QUOTE] too bad wbc and other extremist have wrong opinions and beliefs so its not really the same is it [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Truckasaurus1;40400103][img]http://norunnyeggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/birmingham2.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] need to get your eyes checked? pretty sure an old bigot isnt the same a poor oppressed people

[QUOTE=Eltro102;40406843]ignorance and [B]bigot[/B]ry against [B]bigot[/B]s' beliefs is a good thing [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] too bad wbc and other extremist have wrong opinions and beliefs so its not really the same is it [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] need to get your eyes checked? pretty sure an old [B]bigot[/B] isnt the same a poor oppressed people[/QUOTE] Muh bigots [editline]24th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;40406780]Uh, no, it really doesn't. Cancer is natural, it's also not normal. Being born without legs can be natural, but it sure as hell isn't normal either. Using man-made medications is normal, but it isn't natural. They don't mean the same thing at all. Abnormal just means differing from the norm. It makes no statement either way as to what is natural.[/QUOTE] Fucking language and its similar words

Using ignorance and bigotry against those who use ignorance and bigotry makes you a massive hypocrite and just like them. Fight ignorance and bigotry with knowledge and compassion.

[QUOTE=omggrass;40397916]all i ever hear from people who agree with FEMEN is that people with privilege shouldn't have a say in anything as their privilege blinds them. i hate to say it but anyone who posts on the internet is "privileged". if you can read, write, and count you are "privileged". if you can call a friend on a phone you are "privileged". if you are allowed to walk around freely you are "privileged". jeez these people seem to think if you are a white male you automatically get a free pass for your whole life and never struggle with anything. it's kinda sickening... welp off to paying back my 15k$ worth of student loans.[/QUOTE] "You are a white male? Go fuck yourself, you can't say anything." [i]Other white males on FP[/i] I have NO IDEA whatsoever on why and when did FP suddenly turn into this.

[QUOTE=JerryK;40397816]i don't get the point of running around with your tits out[/QUOTE] I guess that's the only thing they could think of to catch attention for lack of a better respectable way.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;40403104] The fact is, FEMEN is using tactics and methods which are very similar to those of Westboro Baptist Church and other extremists. I don't care what their ideology is and whether it's considered good or evil or whatever, if you're going to act like an extremist dick, then you are to be considered an extremist dick and treated as such.[/QUOTE] only in fp is not only femen comparable to boston bombing marathon suspects but they also share the same tactics of picketing funeral of innocent people to incite violence against themselves for future lawsuits fp is full of educational information!

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40407387]only in fp is not only femen comparable to boston bombing marathon suspects but they also share the same tactics of picketing funeral of innocent people to incite violence against themselves for future lawsuits fp is full of educational information![/QUOTE] WBC gathers attention by doing despicable things and being dick, while also suing everyone up the butt whenever they can, the whole thing being completely pointless because they are trying to convince people who will never get on their side, and who will just end up disliking them even more by the end of the day. Femen gathers attention by doing despicable things and being dick, while also suing everyone up the butt whenever they can, the whole thing being completely pointless because they are trying to convince people who will never get on their side, and who will just end up disliking them even more by the end of the day. I don't care if the scale isn't the same or if the actual practical things they do are not identical, if you are going to act like a dick to people that you don't like just for the sake of it, you're an asshole. And if you're going to act like this while being actually convinced that it will changes things, you're an idiot. And no you can't justify being a dick to someone because he's more of a dick than you. That's like saying the US has all rights to torture terrorists for information because terrorists are the biggest assholes of the two.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;40407519]WBC gathers attention by doing despicable things and being dick, while also suing everyone up the butt whenever they can, the whole thing being completely pointless because they are trying to convince people who will never get on their side, and who will just end up disliking them even more by the end of the day. Femen gathers attention by doing despicable things and being dick, while also suing everyone up the butt whenever they can, the whole thing being completely pointless because they are trying to convince people who will never get on their side, and who will just end up disliking them even more by the end of the day. I don't care if the scale isn't the same or if the actual practical things they do are not identical, if you are going to act like a dick to people that you don't like just for the sake of it, you're an asshole. And if you're going to act like this while being actually convinced that it will changes things, you're an idiot.[/QUOTE] give me proof about femen suing people femen doesnt act the way they do for the sake being an asshole ( if splashing water on the head figure of an organization that has denied and oppressed your gender & sexual orientation for generations is equal to picketing innocent people's funeral for attention and lawsuit money, then i just lol at you ) they actually bring awareness, they probably done more for feminism than you'll ever have you're an idiot

[QUOTE=Boaraes;40407082]Using ignorance and bigotry against those who use ignorance and bigotry makes you a massive hypocrite and just like them.[/QUOTE] well not really because you're not the one being a massive homophobe!!