Better get shot dead than get a shoddy as fuck injection that's probably just a lot of bleach mixed with paint thinner.
[QUOTE=kaukassus;46947768]what about a stationary gun that gets triggered by a computer? You don't need a human pulling the trigger to get the job done.[/QUOTE]
Someone still has to set it up, maintain it, load it, etc. We've been over this in every damn thread. At some point, no matter the method of execution, someone is responsible for the execution.
How about we just don't kill people? Does that sound good? Awesome, let's do that then. Cheaper and less retarded.
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;46947793]Too bad we aren't spacefaring yet. We could just dump prisoners on a crappy liveable planet and make an Australia planet and forget about em[/QUOTE]
So dump them on earth? (jk i luv u earth)
[QUOTE=kaukassus;46947768]what about a stationary gun that gets triggered by a computer? You don't need a human pulling the trigger to get the job done.[/QUOTE]
Someone needs to press the button.
[QUOTE=Tasm;46947371]Carbon monoxide is far from gruesome. It puts you to sleep.[/QUOTE]You're thinking of carbon dioxide asphyxiation. Carbon monoxide poisoning is extremely painful and terribly slow.
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;46947793]Too bad we aren't spacefaring yet. We could just dump prisoners on a crappy liveable planet and make an Australia planet and forget about em[/QUOTE]
Pfft. Just take them into space and jettison them. Most humane way there is.
[QUOTE=EditOutJ;46946599]I guess if you have to have the death sentence in your state, a firing squad is much more desirable than lethal injection.[/QUOTE]
I agree, lethal injection is such a dreadful and horrible way to go, just the thought of being restrained and having the needle put into my arm, the guy swabbing it with alcohol because god forbid if it isn't sterile, ugh it's like a fucking horror movie.
At least if you get shot in the heart you have literal seconds of consciousness left.
Does this make sense? I dunno. Logically it should feel equally anxiety-producing and distressing and I'm not even afraid of needles at all, it's just so clinical and impersonal.
The most humane way to the prisoner themselves would probably be replacing the air in their cell with nitrogen while they're asleep. That's shit for closure though.
I think the French had the right idea with the guillotine; quick, painless, and incredibly hard to fuck up. You could even put them under with an anesthetic first, if you're worried about all those anecdotal stories of heads surviving a few seconds afterwards.
I may not agree with the death penalty, but I don't get why it has to be so complicated.
Wouldn't the guys shooting potentially get traumatized, though?
[QUOTE=Breny;46948199]Wouldn't the guys shooting potentially get traumatized, though?[/QUOTE]
Not worse than the people administering lethal injections...
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;46947793]Too bad we aren't spacefaring yet. We could just dump prisoners on a crappy liveable planet and make an Australia planet and forget about em[/QUOTE]
We can just turn New York into a prison city.
[QUOTE=Breny;46948199]Wouldn't the guys shooting potentially get traumatized, though?[/QUOTE]
Maybe this is just a myth, but I think the idea is that you have five-ish people all lined up, four of them with blanks and one with the real bullet. The idea is that no one knows if they fired the killing shot I guess.
The firing squad in the more modern sense is comprised of volunteers. Typically five men. One is given a wax bullet, without knowledge of course. Wax bullets are made to simulate actual recoil. Also, they do not aim directly at the person they are firing on, they aim at a target that is in front of the heart.
You can read up about Ronnie Lee Gardner for a slightly more detailed explanation on modern day firing squad: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Lee_Gardner[/url]
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;46948457]Maybe this is just a myth, but I think the idea is that you have five-ish people all lined up, four of them with blanks and one with the real bullet. The idea is that no one knows if they fired the killing shot I guess.[/QUOTE]
They don't give four out of the five blank rounds, the reason you have so many people shoot at once is because you want to make sure the target gets hit and dies. One bullet isn't going to cut it.
if you absolutely [I]have[/I] to execute someone, why does it always have to be in some violent fashion, why not just use a nitrogen suicide bag and let them calmly drift away?
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its cheap, easy, and painless. hell, you could have 4 tanks hooked up to it with only one having any nitrogen in it to do the whole guilt absolution thing going on
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46948877]if you absolutely [I]have[/I] to execute someone, why does it always have to be in some violent fashion, why not just use a nitrogen suicide bag and let them calmly drift away?[/QUOTE]
Lethal injection was supposed to be that non violent alternative but eventually the states killed so many people via lethal injection that the suppliers cut supplies and the states resolved to injecting absolutely fucking whatever.
[QUOTE=Tasm;46947371]Carbon monoxide is far from gruesome. It puts you to sleep.[/QUOTE]
This is not always true. Carbon monoxide poisoning can have pretty significant side effects before it's strong enough to just "knock you out." Can include severe headaches and nausea, at the least. I know that's nothing compared to the pain that goes along with a lot of lethal injections, but it's still not exactly humane.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46948886]Lethal injection was supposed to be that non violent alternative but eventually the states killed so many people via lethal injection that the suppliers cut supplies and the states resolved to injecting absolutely fucking whatever.[/QUOTE]
exactly, they relied on something which people had to specifically manufacture in order to kill people (and has pretty much always been a pretty painful death anyways)
nitrogen is used in a shit ton more applications than that, so it isn't a worry. that it doesn't even seem like it has been considered is really dumb.
i am completely against the death penalty in all forms, but i know it is unrealistic to expect a lot of these states to overturn it soon, so i would rather it be the least stressful way possible for the condemned man
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;46948148]I agree, lethal injection is such a dreadful and horrible way to go, just the thought of being restrained and having the needle put into my arm, the guy swabbing it with alcohol because god forbid if it isn't sterile, ugh it's like a fucking horror movie.
At least if you get shot in the heart you have literal seconds of consciousness left.
Does this make sense? I dunno. Logically it should feel equally anxiety-producing and distressing and I'm not even afraid of needles at all, it's just so clinical and impersonal.
The most humane way to the prisoner themselves would probably be replacing the air in their cell with nitrogen while they're asleep. That's shit for closure though.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather be put to sleep and never wake up than get shot. Sure, leathal injection can be botched, but a firing squad could miss and all shoot me in the nuts.
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;46947218]bring back death by arena[/QUOTE]
PPW will mean that it's no longer a budget deficit, but a budget gain!
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;46947218]bring back death by arena[/QUOTE]
Buzzkill coming in. There's no doubt this would drive up arrest rates so the state could make dosh like a motherfucker. Think Kids for Cash with more death matches.
Just put the guy under with anesthesia like the thousands of people that undergo surgery every day and deliver some heart stopping drug straight to their heart.
The first thought that comes to mind when I see you all speculating on good painless humane ways of killing someone is "why do we need to kill the prisoner at all?"
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;46947218]bring back death by arena[/QUOTE]
Only chosen contenders, willing to go, to gain freedom, should be allowed to fight.
Make it a once every other year event, and like alot of other sports, there is a Parimutuel betting system, last person standing gets their freedom. And the tax deducted from the bet pool Will be given to the winner.
[QUOTE=kaukassus;46947768]what about a stationary gun that gets triggered by a computer? You don't need a human pulling the trigger to get the job done.[/QUOTE]
This is a bad idea. Making computers responsible for killing people is the first step to Skynet.
Not even the least bit surprised. This state is backwards as fuck.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;46948392]We can just turn New York into a prison city.[/QUOTE]
Wait, then what is it right now?
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;46946553]
Good to see the state isn't just giving up. Lethal injection is overly complicated and the only benefit over other methods is that it's a 'nicer' way to kill a man.[/QUOTE]
The state shouldn't be killing anybody. It's barbaric, expensive, and counterproductive. There's a reason the rest of the civilized world got rid of the death penalty a long time ago.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46950902]The state shouldn't be killing anybody. It's barbaric, expensive, and counterproductive. There's a reason the rest of the civilized world got rid of the death penalty a long time ago.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country[/url]
40 countries retain it in law and practice. So no, America is not the only country in the world, or even the "civilized" world, to enforce the death penalty actively.
Put them in a medically induced coma before you kill them to guarantee a painless death Jesus H. Christ this isn't hard
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