• Wyoming legislature advances firing squad bill
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[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46951204][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country[/url] 40 countries retain it in law and practice. So no, America is not the only country in the world, or even the "civilized" world, to enforce the death penalty actively.[/QUOTE] "There are so many criminals in this world so I might as well be one..."
[QUOTE=draugur;46950501]Not even the least bit surprised. This state is backwards as fuck.[/QUOTE] Welcome to Wyoming. If you aren't a farmer/rancher, you probably aren't a citizen. This state's politics are fucking weird, though between this and the latest concealed carry debacle there really isn't much to talk about other than the usual hyper-republican areas.
bring back the guillotine In all seriousness death by firing squad is probably less likely to fuck up than a lethal injection
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46951204][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country[/url] 40 countries retain it in law and practice. So no, America is not the only country in the world, or even the "civilized" world, to enforce the death penalty actively.[/QUOTE] lol look at the other countries that have the death penalty. america IS the only 'western' one that still has the death penalty even russia doesn't have it lol
[QUOTE=Impact1986;46946638]Why dont they just connect a computer running a random number generator to this suicide helmet. [t]http://i.imgur.com/0bVIYlf.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/mgesP2X.jpg[/t] [/QUOTE] You missed the Generally Just Fucking Creepy Stuff Thread.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;46947893]Someone still has to set it up, maintain it, load it, etc. We've been over this in every damn thread. At some point, no matter the method of execution, someone is responsible for the execution. How about we just don't kill people? Does that sound good? Awesome, let's do that then. Cheaper and less retarded.[/QUOTE] Maintaining the stationary gun would not differ too much from a normal gun. As for the responsible thing, Have a line of buttons ~10 buttons and have a group of personnel click them at the same time. Then a computer selects a random button as a trigger, and initiates counter with a random time interval (Not too long, not too short), after the timer has run out the gun gets triggered. This way, nobody knows who triggered the gun (which AFAIK in some cases is already used). Also depending on the treatment of the prisoner, keeping them alive is expensive as fuck. In Switzerland, generally every prisoner costs ~144 Thousand $ a year. Some are a lot more expensive. If you put that in perspective, you could save quite some money, but I don't know how much the costs would be in the US. [editline]17th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Krinkels;46950499]This is a bad idea. Making computers responsible for killing people is the first step to Skynet.[/QUOTE] Yes, because using a computer to fire a gun is totally something new and revolutionary. Also Skynet, are you fucking serious?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46947059]The way firing squads usually work, lets say you have 5 guys, you either have 4 blanks and one live or 4 lives and 1 blank. That way the no one in the firing squad knows who took the mans life and that somehow absolves everyone of their guilt. With that said, its pretty easy to differentiate a live from a blank due to recoil, and you also have issues of the firing squad aiming for limbs or purposely missing so their round isn't the one that kills him. [editline]16th January 2015[/editline] wow so if the guy uses up 2 extra bullets he may end up paying a whole 15 cent.[/QUOTE] iirc they use wax bullets, as you said, recoil gives away the blank.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;46946996]In china, the government pays for the first bullet. If he doesn't die, then the soldier that is shooting will pay for every bullet onwards.[/QUOTE] What if the first bullet kills him but he decides to keep shooting him anyway?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46951204][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country[/url] 40 countries retain it in law and practice. So no, America is not the only country in the world, or even the "civilized" world, to enforce the death penalty actively.[/QUOTE] I'm pro death penalty, but arguing from this point isn't going to get you very far. Glancing through the list, the only other notable "civilized" country which still has it is Japan. The vast majority of what would be considered "civilized" or "western" countries have banned it. Though the argument either way in terms of "X number of similar countries did Y, thus the US should do Y", isn't very useful in general as all countries are different. A better argument would be why those countries decided to do Y.
[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;46952262]What if the first bullet kills him but he decides to keep shooting him anyway?[/QUOTE] He will still pay for every bullet onwards.
Death by heroin overdose seems like a humane way to die. It would be a wonderful last few minutes.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46950902]The state shouldn't be killing anybody. It's barbaric, expensive, and counterproductive. There's a reason the rest of the civilized world got rid of the death penalty a long time ago.[/QUOTE] What is it that makes the death penalty barbaric? It isn't just that it's "state sanctioned killing" because there's plenty of that in war. Is it the perception that they aren't dangerous? Because they are; sure, perhaps not so much to society as a whole (though people can escape from incarceration), but what about to other inmates, the people who guard them, or the various other people they might come in contact with (doctors, janitors, cooks)? Beyond that; if it's accepted that someone can never be "rehabilitated" (not that the US particularly tries to my understanding), then what is the point in having them rot in a cell for the rest of their lives?
[QUOTE=DaMastez;46952315]then what is the point in having them rot in a cell for the rest of their lives?[/QUOTE] TBH, that would probably be worse than death.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;46947893]Someone still has to set it up, maintain it, load it, etc. We've been over this in every damn thread. At some point, no matter the method of execution, someone is responsible for the execution. How about we just don't kill people? Does that sound good? Awesome, let's do that then. Cheaper and less retarded.[/QUOTE] TIL there are really people that think the way you do. How would you feel if you had an eight year old daughter and some 60 year old man raped and killed her? Wouldn't want him dead? Have fun w/your ideologies. We kill people (Well, my country does being the U.S., not sure where you are) throughout the whole goddamn world not giving a fuck protecting ourselves. Do you not want these people dead? Would you rather them kill the people you love? Because [B][U]THEY DON'T GIVE A SINGLE FUCKING SHIT ABOUT KILLING US BY THE WAY.[/U][/B]
There's some things you have in common with the middle east.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46951204][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country[/url] 40 countries retain it in law and practice. So no, America is not the only country in the world, or even the "civilized" world, to enforce the death penalty actively.[/QUOTE] Joining such civilized nations as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, North Korea... Yes, I do agree the US is a backwards nation in many regards, but I think you're being a bit unfair here - they're not [I]that[/I] bad.
[QUOTE=Lf751;46952438]There's some things you have in common with the middle east.[/QUOTE] And why is it that you're going straight to 'the middle east' ? That's racist, mane.
[QUOTE=s5300;46952352]How would you feel if you had an eight year old daughter and some 60 year old man raped and killed her? Wouldn't want him dead?[/QUOTE]if we're going with the whole blood vengeance thing, no. i'd want him to rot in a cold concrete cell for the rest of his pathetic life, barely staying alive on a diet of tepid water and dry bread, before his body would finally give to age or the unbearable conditions, or he'd take his own life out of desperation by breaking his skull against the walls or some shit. he'd have all the sweet time to think about what he did while effectively living in a slow downward spiral of lonely, cold death i'm a horrible person, but if you're out for blood and you really, really want to punish someone, sentence them to an eternity of body-destroying misery and mind-rotting pain instead of simply killing them off.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;46952554]if we're going with the whole blood vengeance thing, no. i'd want him to rot in a cold concrete cell for the rest of his pathetic life, barely staying alive on a diet of tepid water and dry bread, before his body would finally give to age or the unbearable conditions, or he'd take his own life out of desperation by breaking his skull against the walls or some shit. he'd have all the sweet time to think about what he did while effectively living in a slow downward spiral of lonely, cold death i'm a horrible person, but if you really want to punish someone, sentence them to an eternity of body-destroying misery and mind-rotting pain instead of simply killing them off.[/QUOTE] Not sounding rude towards you b/c I obviously agree - but no shit. The thing is, that isn't what happens. At least in the US and most first world countries. We pamper them. It's terrible, actually. Completely innocent people who got screwed over by the world living on the streets and in slums have it worse off than some of them. Fuckin Guantanamo inmates got a nice little vacation aside from their initial interrogations and now they just get to go out in to the world free. Lf571 was just trying to take the nice pansy ass approach for whatever reason is in his odd mind - I'm sure he wouldn't agree with barely letting them live in terrible cell conditions either.
We're all discussing the best way to kill someone when we really ought to be discussing whether to kill anyone or not - which is the answer is, not.
Why not..... fill them with so much remorse for what they have done, they commit suicide?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46952584]We're all discussing the best way to kill someone when we really ought to be discussing whether to kill anyone or not - which is the answer is, not.[/QUOTE] We're discussing the most human way of killing a person that has done actions that justifies a death sentence. Context is important. There's quite a difference between killing a human, and killing a serial killer, serial rapist, terrorist and others. Yes, these are all humans aswell, but have done actions that have done grave actions that would be shunned even in less civilized worlds. I'm all for imprisoning them for all eternity, but then you have to argue that the state is spending millions a year to feed and shelter serial killers and terrorists, people that are likely due to their actions will never leave their prison ever again. If we're that dense, we could also argue that imprisoning them for eternity would be inhumane aswell.
[QUOTE=s5300;46952564]Not sounding rude towards you b/c I obviously agree - but no shit. The thing is, that isn't what happens. At least in the US and most first world countries. We pamper them. It's terrible, actually. Completely innocent people who got screwed over by the world living on the streets and in slums have it worse off than some of them. Fuckin Guantanamo inmates got a nice little vacation aside from their initial interrogations and now they just get to go out in to the world free. Lf571 was just trying to take the nice pansy ass approach for whatever reason is in his odd mind - I'm sure he wouldn't agree with barely letting them live in terrible cell conditions either.[/QUOTE] If you seriously think people in Guantanamo Bay have it easy you're being stupid.
[QUOTE=s5300;46952352]TIL there are really people that think the way you do. How would you feel if you had an eight year old daughter and some 60 year old man raped and killed her? Wouldn't want him dead? Have fun w/your ideologies. We kill people (Well, my country does being the U.S., not sure where you are) throughout the whole goddamn world not giving a fuck protecting ourselves. Do you not want these people dead? Would you rather them kill the people you love? Because [B][U]THEY DON'T GIVE A SINGLE FUCKING SHIT ABOUT KILLING US BY THE WAY.[/U][/B][/QUOTE] The death penalty shouldn't be about revenge; it should be a sentence given by a judge or jury who, after being presented with the facts determine that the death penalty is appropriate. Never mind that as some have mentioned, there are far worse things that could be done to persons if it was about revenge.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;46956070]The death penalty shouldn't be about revenge; it should be a sentence given by a judge or jury who, after being presented with the facts determine that the death penalty is appropriate. Never mind that as some have mentioned, there are far worse things that could be done to persons if it was about revenge.[/QUOTE] From this purely statistical standpoint, how is the death penalty a better than imprisonment for life? If the end decision is "they are a danger to society and thus should be removed from it," prison for life satisfies that. Why further?
If you remove the revenge factor there is no justification for the death penalty over life imprisonment.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;46956141]From this purely statistical standpoint, how is the death penalty a better than imprisonment for life? If the end decision is "they are a danger to society and thus should be removed from it," prison for life satisfies that. Why further?[/QUOTE] Because prisons aren't inescapable, and people still have to interact with prisoners on a daily basis, be them other prisoners, guards, or other staff. The only way to completely ensure someone is no longer a danger is to kill them.
Or you know, you could just stop trying to kill people
[video=youtube;nGgQw4yljQ4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgQw4yljQ4[/video] Is there some sort of side-effect to hypoxia that would be considered inhumane or unethical? If we're already executing people, ethics fly out the window to begin with, so why not let them go out dazed, high and absolutely pleased with themselves?
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