• Dutch MPs Vote to Ban Religious Slaughter
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[QUOTE=Nekrietns;30780102]How long have you been in our country? A week? Oh you read it on wikipedia! You're a fucking dumbshit, even elementary school has to be paid for by the people that want their kids to attend it.[/QUOTE] so what you are telling me is holland does not have free education at all? okay
I just looked it up and inorder to stay in Australia legally for longer than a couple of years you need to either become a reisdent or a citizen, both of which require the test to be done in english. At least this is helping the country keep one language which everybody can use. But if I was moving to the Netherlands I'd learn dutch just because it seems inconsiderate to force everybody to cope with me instead of me taking some time to learn the native langauge.
[QUOTE=Bokito;30780127]So you're saying we shouldn't pay taxes due to other people's laziness? Even for people with a learning disorder it should be possible to learn a language when you have [u]10 years[/u][/QUOTE] no i'm saying don't give money to people who don't wanna learn your language problem solved
[QUOTE=Nekrietns;30780102]How long have you been in our country? A week? Oh you read it on wikipedia! You're a fucking dumbshit, even elementary school has to be paid for by the people that want their kids to attend it. Which is required by law! :buddy:[/QUOTE] Yeah except you can get money for education from a number of places if you cannot pay for it yourself
[QUOTE=thisispain;30780075] who's they and we us and them is a dumb mentality to have, especially about something you don't really know. i mean do you have statistics or anything to even remotely prove that you aren't just reciting tired old crap.[/QUOTE] [B]WE:[/B] All the working people with the Dutch nationality who can speak Dutch and actually went to school, no matter where they're from. [B]THEY:[/B] The immigrants and people who came into this country by some shady way, got a passport due to certain laws and are now not giving any fuck about how things work in the Netherlands
[QUOTE=NinjaWilko;30780144] But if I was moving to the Netherlands I'd learn dutch just because it seems inconsiderate to force everybody to cope with me instead of me taking some time to learn the native langauge.[/QUOTE] yeah that's a good thing
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;30780042]Because it's like saying brown bread is from Africa. But hey, I'm sure they 'all look alike' to you, eh?[/QUOTE] Tbh a lot of them do, in part because of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effect]Cross Race effect[/url] which is well known, however also in part because of less diversity in African Americans, as I perceive it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;30780151]no i'm saying don't give money to people who don't wanna learn your language problem solved[/QUOTE] BUT IT'S THE LAW
[QUOTE=NinjaWilko;30780144]I just looked it up and inorder to stay in Australia legally for longer than a couple of years you need to either become a reisdent or a citizen, both of which require the test to be done in english. At least this is helping the country keep one language which everybody can use. But if I was moving to the Netherlands I'd learn dutch just because it seems inconsiderate to force everybody to cope with me instead of me taking some time to learn the native langauge.[/QUOTE] And that's why we'd welcome you with open arms. Same goes for everyone else, just learn our language and perhaps a bit of our customs. It doesn't matter if you're black, white, caramel, purple, blue or anything else.
Also, I'm Dutch and I've had no problems with any foreigners or whatever. Sure some of them are dicks, but the same goes for Dutch kids. There's dicks in any society. I don't care if they learn Dutch or not, it's their choice not to communicate with a lot of people.
[QUOTE=thisispain;30780135]so what you are telling me is holland does not have free education at all? okay[/QUOTE] Where are you even going with this free school thing? I can't just step to a school and ask for free education, I need to pay about €1400+ a year just to stay on school.
[QUOTE=Nekrietns;30780163]And that's why we'd welcome you with open arms. Same goes for everyone else, just learn our language and perhaps a bit of our customs. It doesn't matter if you're black, white, caramel, purple, blue or anything else.[/QUOTE] ^ that
[QUOTE=WPlayer;30780155][B]WE:[/B] All the working people with the Dutch nationality who can speak Dutch and actually went to school, no matter where they're from. [B]THEY:[/B] The immigrants and people who came into this country by some shady way, got a passport due to certain laws and are now not giving any fuck about how things work in the Netherlands[/QUOTE] yeah you see again you are putting this rash judgements on people just because they don't speak dutch because that's what we were talking about the whole shady immigrant with not giving a fuck is all your judgement
[QUOTE=CasualJoe;30779892]Oh and guys, how are you even in the position to say that we should tolerate it. Nearly every single one of my friends has been robbed by muslims, most of them beaten up. My dad got shanked by them and my brother got all his shit stolen by muslims, kind of seeing a pattern here. And I'm not even being racist, I'm just saying what happened, how else do you want me to put it?[/QUOTE] As long as you're not saying they robbed you because they were Muslim (and I guess you really mean from the Middle East) wouldn't you be better served in fixing the problems that caused this as far as employment opportunity, education etc. go? Because surely if their descent isn't the reason they're robbing you it's their poverty that forces them to it could as easily happen to someone white if they didn't tend to be more well off? I mean, I think it's a crude solution to just say fuck off to enough people of a certain color to bring down crime when there's the same justification for that as their is for getting rid of domestic criminals. People don't realise how dependent we'll be in Western Europe on immigrants really soon. We can't run our countries on people who should be getting pensions (without a massive jump in taxes, anyway). That's no reason to pander to them but besides being childish, making laws purely to annoy/anger them will really damage us in the end.
[QUOTE=Bokito;30780161]BUT IT'S THE LAW[/QUOTE] then change the law
[QUOTE=Nekrietns;30780163]And that's why we'd welcome you with open arms. Same goes for everyone else, just learn our language and perhaps a bit of our customs. It doesn't matter if you're black, white, caramel, purple, blue or anything else.[/QUOTE] I dunno about you but I'd feel a bit uncomfortable around a purple guy
[QUOTE=thisispain;30780182]yeah you see again you are putting this rash judgements on people just because they don't speak dutch because that's what we were talking about the whole shady immigrant with not giving a fuck is all your judgement[/QUOTE] of course it's my opinion (or as you call it [B]JUDGEMENT[/B]), should I be speaking on the behalf of all the people of my country or something? [editline]29th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;30780191]then change the law[/QUOTE] There's this thing called the EU. Most if not all rules must correspond to theirs. Those are EU rules.
[QUOTE=WPlayer;30780173]Where are you even going with this free school thing? I can't just step to a school and ask for free education, I need to pay about €1400+ a year just to stay on school.[/QUOTE] i'm just talking about basic mandatory education, which is what we were talking about from the beginning and which i am reading from several places is free and mandatory.
[QUOTE=thisispain;30780191]then change the law[/QUOTE] Sure, why the fuck not. How would you suggest we go about this?
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30780160]Tbh a lot of them do, in part because of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effect]Cross Race effect[/url] which is well known, however also in part because of less diversity in African Americans, as I perceive it.[/QUOTE] I don't care if you think they all 'look kinda brown', I'm asking why every Dutch person here has straight up called them Muslims - a religious title, not a physical one. It's plain inaccurate and plain wrong.
[QUOTE=WPlayer;30780202]of course it's my opinion (or as you call it [B]JUDGEMENT[/B]), should I be speaking on the behalf of all the people of my country or something? [/QUOTE] considering you're talking about we it sounds like you are speaking on their behalf anyway. [editline]29th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bokito;30780216]Sure, why the fuck not. How would you suggest we go about this?[/QUOTE] i don't know you're the one pissed off at people who don't speak dutch solve your own shitty problems
[QUOTE=thisispain;30780223] i don't know you're the one pissed off at people who don't speak dutch solve your own shitty problems[/QUOTE] If you don't know then don't suggest us to get it changed.
[QUOTE=WPlayer;30780242]If you don't know then don't suggest us to get it changed.[/QUOTE] well fine stay angry then at people it's not my problem all i'm saying is the judgments have to stop about people who's lives you know absolutely nothing about
I'm not pissed off at people not speaking Dutch, I just think they should learn it to help improve everyone's lives in the country.
You guys are living in a fantasy world if you think immigrants aren't learning Dutch to annoy you. The reason they aren't learning it is because the facilities aren't there. There is literally no reason they would not learn the language if they could; it just limits their job opportunities and isolates them from neighbors/coworkers/friends.
[QUOTE=thisispain;30779999]no you see when i said that it's your own fault if you don't learn the language the other guy said that it meant you shouldn't have to go to jail for not paying your taxes, to which i said "no if you don't pay your taxes you suffer the consequences" taking things out of context in a really pedantic way is a waste of your own time [editline]29th June 2011[/editline] then don't pay them or offer language classes but either way don't just judge them or be cockheads to them just because they chose to not learn the language [B]maybe they have a learning disability[/B][/QUOTE] So all immigrants have a learning disability? [I]RACIST[/I].
[QUOTE=Bokito;30780263]I'm not pissed off at people not speaking Dutch, I just think they should learn it to help improve everyone's lives in the country.[/QUOTE] yeah i agree but some people think that they are bad people just because they can't or won't learn dutch, and some people wanna kick them out of the country
There are people though who would purposefully refuse to learn even the slightest hint of their none-native tongue.
[QUOTE=Stopper;30780280]So all immigrants have a learning disability? [I]RACIST[/I].[/QUOTE] it's just so tempting but i don't wanna flame you because i know starpluck is watching like a hawk [editline]29th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=NinjaWilko;30780295]There are people though who would purposefully refuse to learn even the slightest hint of their none-native tongue.[/QUOTE] well they are only creating problems for themselves still not seeing the issue
[QUOTE=thisispain;30779030]if it's done properly it won't hurt hurt the animal because the animal goes into shock and even then, you're fucking slaughtering the animal and its friends systematically "oh no slitting its throat with a knife is inhumane, i'd prefer you electrocute it and shoot a rod through its brain" and not to mention: fuck off[/QUOTE] [quote]The support for the ban comes from an odd pairing of the political left, which sees religious slaughter as inhumane, and from the anti-immigration right, which says it is foreign and barbaric. [/quote] This is not true, this news article is from Aljazeera, witch is a Arabic site where most people are Muslim. They have a very strong and crooked opinion about these kind of things (mainly because we just banned there slaughter method). They decided that the religious slaughter does not live up to the rule "prevent animal suffer as much as possible" and now its banned simple as that. Also Dutch education is free. As free as it can possibly get.
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