Petition going on in San Francisco to ban male circumcision - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29503755]So you can just tell people that their dicks are mutilated in a thinly veiled attempt to make yourself feel better about your own dick? Yeah, why not call it mutilation.[/quote] I don't care about my dick, but that's what circumcision is, mutilation. When done to someone who did not consent, you cannot argue that it isn't mutilation, when done to someone whom consents, while it is still mutilation, you're likely refer to it as body modification out of courtesy. But yeah, I think it's perfectly reasonable to claim that a man's dick is mutilated if it has been mutilated, obviously I wouldn't use it as an insult because it really kinda sucks for that guy nor would I just drop it in casual conversation, but in discourse? Mutilation. [quote]The fact of the matter is everytime you say a dick is mutilated by being cut, then you're telling a large chunk of men that they have fucking mutilated dicks[/quote] Yes. [quote]and are worthless by connection of being fucking mutilated.[/quote] No. [quote]Do none of you see this? Oh, no, it's much easier to just fucking insult people.[/QUOTE] That's quite a childish thing to say HumanAbyss, can you not argue without claiming everyone around you is incorrect and rabid?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29503836]I mean, a piercing is mutilation, a tattoo, but why do we not call those things a mutilation? I don't get the need to use the word mutilation in refering to a dick, even if it's a technically correct description. If you can't see the pointed nature of the word and the use of it, then you might as well walk up to a gay guy and call him faggot and not see the problem with that.[/QUOTE] Most people who say its mutilation probably would :v:

[QUOTE=Riutet;29503846]I don't care about my dick, but that's what circumcision is, mutilation. When done to someone who did not consent, you cannot argue that it isn't mutilation, when done to someone whom consents, while it is still mutilation, you're likely refer to it as body modification out of courtesy. But yeah, I think it's perfectly reasonable to claim that a man's dick is mutilated if it has been mutilated, obviously I wouldn't use it as an insult because it really kinda sucks for that guy nor would I just drop it in casual conversation, but in discourse? Mutilation. Yes. No. That's quite a childish thing to say HumanAbyss, can you not argue without claiming everyone around you is incorrect and rabid?[/QUOTE] You're telling me I have a mutilated penis, if you don't see the stupidity in this, then it's really beyond my effort to try and prove that it's a stupid idea. If you understood, you'd realize the use of the word mutilation isn't needed. You've summed it up fine in the first paragraph but how many people here are really going to care and are just going to point and say "mutilated dick"? Oh, yeah, by the looks of it, most of this thread has been that very thing. [editline]29th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;29503851]Most people who say its mutilation probably would :v:[/QUOTE] But mutilation has such a wide and varied use that it's not like it's even worth using in this context.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29503786]Doesn't matter. If you have a mutilation it doesn't matter if it's your fault, it's still a mutilation. Why call it a mutilation? Why try and point another finger? The act of it is mutilation, the result is not mutilation.[/QUOTE] I'm not pointing fingers, I'm saying that a mutilated dick is a mutilated dick, which it is.

[QUOTE=Doomish;29503831]I'm going to quote myself on Steam here. I am dRattman, of course. [img_thumb]http://i51.tinypic.com/n1ruoz.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] I hate how people say "we could be finding a cure for cancer instead of this", its like telling a mechanic to fix a space ship.

Anyways, I'm done with such stupid penile conversation. Circumcision is not mutilation out of courtesy to the people who've had it done. You can call it such as a "technicality" but again, the word is vague enough to allow me to call your zits if they leave pockmarks severe enough to be a form of mutilation. I just don't see the need to have the discussion.

[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;29503890]I hate how people say "we could be finding a cure for cancer instead of this", its like telling a mechanic to fix a space ship.[/QUOTE] it was an example of something someone could be doing instead of arguing over dick skin, it doesn't have to be curing cancer, it could be fixing your car or playing a game with your friend, it doesn't even matter, get over it

let's talk about his mum instead and how she didn't mind that it was mutilated

[QUOTE=Riutet;29503881]I'm not pointing fingers, I'm saying that a mutilated dick is a mutilated dick, which it is.[/QUOTE] Why the fuck call it that? Pierced ear = mutilated ear. Tattoo = mutilated skin. Why bother seeing it like that? Why bother be insulting just by the nature of the word?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29503863]You're telling me I have a mutilated penis[/quote] My condolences go out to you. [quote]if you don't see the stupidity in this, then it's really beyond my effort to try and prove that it's a stupid idea.[/quote] That's a real argument you've got there buddy, claim there's some crucial piece of knowledge that proves you're right and then refuse to enlighten me with the reasoning that I'd lack the capacity to grasp what it is you have to say, you should join a debate team. [quote]If you understood, you'd realize the use of the word mutilation isn't needed.[/quote] I disagree, so long as you claim that a mutilated dick is not a mutilated dick, I will argue that it is, I will make it my duty to argue the truth about dicks. [quote]You've summed it up fine in the first paragraph but how many people here are really going to care and are just going to point and say "mutilated dick"? Oh, yeah, by the looks of it, most of this thread has been that very thing.[/quote] I don't see why you're taking offense, it's not an insult, it's a statement of fact. It's like pointing out someone is missing a finger. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBAZfgMK5TQ[/media] [editline]29th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29503920]Why the fuck call it that?[/QUOTE] You keep denying it's mutilation, and to call it circumcision when it happens to someone who does not consent is making light of a fairly fucked up act.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29503863]You're telling me I have a mutilated penis, if you don't see the stupidity in this, then it's really beyond my effort to try and prove that it's a stupid idea. If you understood, you'd realize the use of the word mutilation isn't needed. You've summed it up fine in the first paragraph but how many people here are really going to care and are just going to point and say "mutilated dick"? Oh, yeah, by the looks of it, most of this thread has been that very thing. [editline]29th April 2011[/editline] But mutilation has such a wide and varied use that it's not like it's even worth using in this context.[/QUOTE] mutilation does have a wide and varied use, that also means it strikes people in different ways.

i mutilated myself yesterday by cutting my toenails

[QUOTE=thisispain;29504002]i mutilated myself yesterday by cutting my toenails[/QUOTE] And that can be used as a way of describing it (Albeit Extremely silly.)

[QUOTE=thisispain;29504002]i mutilated myself yesterday by cutting my toenails[/QUOTE] My condolences go out to you.

I think there's a medical term called phimosis which makes your foreskin really tight, which may result in getting your foreskin cut. That's the only ailment I know, in which circumcision can help.

[QUOTE=Riutet;29503846]I don't care about my dick, but that's what circumcision is, mutilation. When done to someone who did not consent, you cannot argue that it isn't mutilation, when done to someone whom consents, while it is still mutilation, you're likely refer to it as body modification out of courtesy. But yeah, I think it's perfectly reasonable to claim that a man's dick is mutilated if it has been mutilated, obviously I wouldn't use it as an insult because it really kinda sucks for that guy nor would I just drop it in casual conversation, but in discourse? Mutilation.[/quote] Guess what buddy, you're "mutilated" at birth when your umbilical cord is cut. Should we outlaw that too?

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;29504189]Guess what buddy, you're "mutilated" at birth when your umbilical cord is cut. Should we outlaw that too?[/QUOTE] Holy crap I agree with you. I'm marking this down in a calender.

[QUOTE=Virtanen;29484519]why? sure you shouldn't do it on babies who have no say on the matter, but banning it from adults who want to do it is just as stupid.[/QUOTE] Read the quote, it says that it'd outlaw circumcision on anyone under the age of 18.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;29504189]Guess what buddy, you're "mutilated" at birth when your umbilical cord is cut. Should we outlaw that too?[/QUOTE] Are you implying that the necessary removal of that which links you to your mother is even comparable to the completely unnecessary and arguably quite useless removal of a piece of skin that actually performs some minor duties and that without which you are disadvantaged? There are two types of mutilation I observe, acceptable mutilation, and unacceptable mutilation. Acceptable mutilation is the modification/removal/addition of organic material when it is either medically necessary, or when someone whom possesses the ability to consent approves the act being performed unto themselves. Unacceptable mutilation is that which is done to you without your consent, and it should be obvious why it's unacceptable. When it comes to addressing the former, I will refer to it as a medical procedure or body modification, when it comes to addressing the latter I will refer to it as mutilation. Are you being facetious?

I have a cut dick and I wouldn't say it's insensitive. Rubbing the head with lube on is too much. It's just too sensitive to do that. But yeah, the skin in thicker so I'm guessing it's not as sensitive as uncut but saying that cut dicks are insensitive is a lie. Also the "if you follow the daily hygiene blah blah blah" argument. From few minutes after you exit the shower, the cut dick will always be cleaner because nothing stays under the foreskin. Unless you bath 5 times a day you'll never be as clean. The difference might not be great on regular day but it's never going to be the same, except while and just after shower. And lets say you're after a party (at which you actually moved) or after a whole day of work, you think your uncut dick is just as fresh as it was in the morning? I doubt it. It's kinda like with vags, you wouldn't eat a pussy of a girl that's been jogging/dancing for few hours (or you'd do it once). It doesn't even cross my mind that my cut dick can be not fresh, even after a jog or something. Also I was circumcised when I was 10 (due to medical reasons) and I remember all the pain. Overall, the outcome is not worth the pain. But saying that cut dicks are insensitive or that with hygiene uncut are as clean as cuts is a lie. Oh and, something like circumcision is not parents' decision. Everyone should make a decision like this on their own.

aww man why the fuck do i have to read people talk about their dicks

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;29504329]Also the "if you follow the daily hygiene blah blah blah" argument. From few minutes after you exit the shower, the cut dick will always be cleaner because nothing stays under the foreskin. Unless you bath 5 times a day you'll never be as clean. The difference might not be great on regular day but it's never going to be the same, except while and just after shower. And lets say you're after a party (at which you actually moved) or after a whole day of work, you think your uncut dick is just as fresh as it was in the morning? I doubt it. It's kinda like with vags, you wouldn't eat a pussy of a girl that's been jogging/dancing for few hours (or you'd do it once). It doesn't even cross my mind that my cut dick can be not fresh, even after a jog or something.[/quote] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW8sGbvb9wM[/media] Ya'll will thank me later. [quote]Oh and, something like circumcision is not parents' decision. Everyone should make a decision like this on their own.[/QUOTE] I agree.

[QUOTE=thisispain;29504341]aww man why the fuck do i have to read people talk about their dicks[/QUOTE] Its like the thread about the guy who wants to grow his foreskin back, hilarious.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;29504329]I have a cut dick and I wouldn't say it's insensitive. Rubbing the head with lube on is too much. It's just too sensitive to do that. But yeah, the skin in thicker so I'm guessing it's not as sensitive as uncut but saying that cut dicks are insensitive is a lie. Also the "if you follow the daily hygiene blah blah blah" argument. From few minutes after you exit the shower, the cut dick will always be cleaner because nothing stays under the foreskin. Unless you bath 5 times a day you'll never be as clean. The difference might not be great on regular day but it's never going to be the same, except while and just after shower. And lets say you're after a party (at which you actually moved) or after a whole day of work, you think your uncut dick is just as fresh as it was in the morning? I doubt it. It's kinda like with vags, you wouldn't eat a pussy of a girl that's been jogging/dancing for few hours (or you'd do it once). It doesn't even cross my mind that my cut dick can be not fresh, even after a jog or something. Also I was circumcised when I was 10 (due to medical reasons) and I remember all the pain. Overall, the outcome is not worth the pain. But saying that cut dicks are insensitive or that with hygiene uncut are as clean as cuts is a lie. Oh and, something like circumcision is not parents' decision. Everyone should make a decision like this on their own.[/QUOTE] I've no idea why anyone says my dick is less sensitive than I know it to be. It's quite sensitive, and it can be painfully so in times. I'm by no means disadvantaged. It's funny to see that being said. [editline]29th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Riutet;29504348][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW8sGbvb9wM[/media] Ya'll will thank me later. I agree.[/QUOTE] what he says is correct though. It's not "disadvantaged" in anyway.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29504452]I've no idea why anyone says my dick is less sensitive than I know it to be. It's quite sensitive, and it can be painfully so in times. I'm by no means disadvantaged. It's funny to see that being said. [/QUOTE] Because we have different dicks than they have, natural reaction is to assume "you are/yours is better than they are/theirs".

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29504452]what he says is correct though. It's not "disadvantaged" in anyway.[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing the validity of what he said, it's just a bit in depth. I suppose you could say that a dick taking longer to cease being "fresh" is an advantage, but that's just one small advantage and doesn't mean that the removal of the foreskin doesn't leave you disadvantaged in more ways than you would be if it were to remain. Reasonably though it wouldn't really be an issue provided you did as you should do and showered after prolonged exertion, you're likely going to be sweaty in places other than your genital region.

itt people are sensitive about their supposedly less sensitive dicks

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;29504525]Because we have different dicks than they have, natural reaction is to assume "you are/yours is better than they are/theirs".[/QUOTE] That's doubtful, I think there's actually a medical basis for why people believe there is a loss of sensitivity over time, I haven't exactly researched loss of sensitivity in circumcised males though. I personally don't even see loss of sensitivity as a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Riutet;29504530]I'm not arguing the validity of what he said, it's just a bit in depth. I suppose you could say that a dick taking longer to cease being "fresh" is an advantage, but that's just one small advantage and doesn't mean that the removal of the foreskin doesn't leave you disadvantaged in more ways than you would be if it were to remain.[/QUOTE] I can't see any disadvantages other than the pain and loosing little sensitivity. And I already said, the pain isn't work the outcome. Plus I think it shouldn't be done to babies. But then again, I wouldn't say we're disadvantaged either. [QUOTE=Riutet;29504554]That's doubtful, I think there's actually a medical basis for why people believe there is a loss of sensitivity over time, I haven't exactly researched loss of sensitivity in circumcised males though. I personally don't even see loss of sensitivity as a bad thing.[/QUOTE] Yeah I said in my first post that "the skin in thicker so I'm guessing it's not as sensitive as uncut" but it's nowhere as bad as people are saying. So eagerly too. Which brings my "you are/yours is better than they are/theirs" point.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;29504189]Guess what buddy, you're "mutilated" at birth when your umbilical cord is cut. Should we outlaw that too?[/QUOTE] the umbilical cord is designed to be severed, the fuck are you talking about that's like saying "you don't want us to cut off bits of baby dick? Next thing you'll say is we can't cut our fingernails!" do you make a conscious effort to be fucking stupid in every fucking post you make [editline]29th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Morbo!!!;29504547]itt people are sensitive about their supposedly less sensitive dicks[/QUOTE] why does this have to be about dicks this is about cutting bits off of children, i don't give a fuck what your penis feels like