US Govt: No Warrant Needed to Track Your Car With a GPS Device - Polidicks

[QUOTE=deadoon;40019060]It isn't a search or seizure, it is no different than having plain clothes officers following you in vehicles to track your movements, which is already legal and has been legal for a long time.[/QUOTE] It's legal if they have probable cause and/or a warrant. Without either, following you is harrassment. Unwarranted GPS would just be an extension of that.

I can't believe the Obama administration is really digging in and fighting on this issue. I like a lot of his policies, but his administration has been just as much of an unmitigated disaster on civil liberties as the Bush administration.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;40019140]Sacrificing liberty for security rarely leads to anything useful. [editline]24th March 2013[/editline] By that right i should be able to walk up to you and look through your phone, your contacts and everything, since you don't have any right to privacy.[/QUOTE] Unlawful search. [QUOTE=FlakAttack;40019540]It's legal if they have probable cause and/or a warrant. Without either, following you is harrassment. Unwarranted GPS would just be an extension of that.[/QUOTE] Yeah, if they use a gps tracker that is directly traceable to them. Them following you can be explained away as suspicious activity. And note how I said plain clothes officers, it would be difficult for you to be able to determine if they were police or not and if they have proper training and you attempt to avoid them they would know the proper time to break off and get someone else to follow you. If you find one and it does not have authorization to be on your vehicle it should be now considered your property.

Hey America, how are those rights you have? Oh right. You don't have any.

we have more rights than you have jokes.

[QUOTE=Alec W;40020184]we have more rights than you have jokes.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MIPS;40019770]Hey America, how are those rights you have? Oh right. You don't have any.[/QUOTE] [quote][b]despite the Supreme Court’s infamous decision last year that concluded that attaching the GPS devices amounted to search protected by the Constitution.[/b][/quote] A+ reading, both of you. The supreme court has the ultimate ruling on this matter and they already said that GPS tracking requires a warrant.

[QUOTE=The golden;40020197]Harper would try if he knew he had a bit more wiggle room.[/QUOTE] good thing the people get pissed and take action on the shit the government pulls, because our media is 50x better than US media and our officials don't get legally bribed with money.

[QUOTE=laserguided;40020218]good thing the people get pissed and take action on the shit the government pulls, because our media is 50x better than US media and our officials don't get legally bribed with money.[/QUOTE] How about them CCTVs?

[QUOTE=gamefreek76;40020340]How about them CCTVs?[/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40020193]A+ reading, both of you. The supreme court has the ultimate ruling on this matter and they already said that GPS tracking requires a warrant.[/QUOTE] Because it's not like we've violated constitutional rights before huh?

If I'm not mistaken, aren't those GPS devices mounted underneath the car with only powerful magnets?

[QUOTE=don868;40018912]There should be no need for anyone to hide where they're going in their vehicle. We have license plates for a reason, and that's to identify who the vehicle belongs to. This is just a modernized version of it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, there was a similar reader comment in 34 page of Sheeple Magazine, fantastic read.

[QUOTE=areolop;40019063]If you found one of these on your car, you'd be stupid not to remove it. If you didnt put it there, why would you keep it there.[/QUOTE] or you could leave it and continue with the knowledge that it's there like Gus from Breaking Bad to not raise suspicion sure you could arrest a lot more people without warrants. but, you'd also be completely destroying what it means to have protection from unlawful search and seizure also privacy [editline]24th March 2013[/editline] can't they just drive behind you in an unmarked car and watch you and do, you know, police work? this is just lazy

[QUOTE=MIPS;40019770]Hey America, how are those rights you have? Oh right. You don't have any.[/QUOTE] MIPS, I generally enjoy it when you post, but this is so goddamn stupid that it blows my mind. I mean just a legitimately dumb and ignorant thing to say.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40020193]A+ reading, both of you. The supreme court has the ultimate ruling on this matter and they already said that GPS tracking requires a warrant.[/QUOTE] There are laws on the books that blatantly violate the constitution. Why would this be any different?

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;40023803]There are laws on the books that blatantly violate the constitution. Why would this be any different?[/QUOTE] please cite these laws. i wish to know

I still think the government will just do as they please and get away with it. If anything they are the biggest law breakers of them all.

TSA, for one. We are protected by unauthorized searches and seizures and the TSA searches everyone no matter what. It would be fine if the airport companies did it themselves because they're a private company and they can do what they want.

[QUOTE=don868;40018912]There should be no need for anyone to hide where they're going in their vehicle. We have license plates for a reason, and that's to identify who the vehicle belongs to. This is just a modernized version of it.[/QUOTE] GPS is for tracking purposes with no way to identify, licenses plates are identification and do no active tracking, they are completely different as they are completely different to the point of being opposites [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=gamefreek76;40020340]How about them CCTVs?[/QUOTE] What CCTV cameras, we're talking about Canada, not the UK

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;40019140]Sacrificing liberty for security rarely leads to anything useful.[/QUOTE] This sounds like a nice quote until you realize its meaningless. Where the fuck is the line drawn for this sort of thing? Because the state already knows a great massive deal of information about you, most of which it never will end up using for anything malicious.

Hah, as if that'd stay attached to my vehicle for more than thirty seconds. I'd pop it right off and stick it on the minivan that barely moves an inch the moment I found it, and since I do my own auto maintenance I would find it in fairly short order. [QUOTE=don868;40018912]There should be no need for anyone to hide where they're going in their vehicle. We have license plates for a reason, and that's to identify who the vehicle belongs to. This is just a modernized version of it.[/QUOTE] So much wrong with this it's mind boggling. 1: This not simply a 'modern license plate'. License plates do NOT track where the car goes. They simply identify who owns the car. You cannot use a license plate to track someone's whereabouts and learn their routines. 2: It doesn't matter if they need to hide where they're going or not. Their right to hide it is in the constitution. This falls pretty squarely under unreasonable search, as the Supreme Court affirmed. It is unconstitutional and it is unreasonable search, simple as that. Regardless of whether or not they actually need to hide their daily commute, they have every right to do so. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;40032987] Because the state already knows a great massive deal of information about you, most of which it never will end up using for anything malicious.[/QUOTE] Drawing the line is pretty simple. If you can't learn information either through [b]existing[/b] public information laws, by simply asking them and having them voluntarily tell you, or by just watching someone with your own two eyeballs you need a warrant to learn it. It's really that simple. Tracking someone's car with a GPS transponder has already been declared unconstitutional by the supreme court, so there's no arguing "Well this just equals following someone." It doesn't. Tracking someone's whereabouts is a pretty serious thing and it needs to be done in person to minimize the chances of privacy-violating unreasonable search. With the GPS transponder cops can track everyone at once, using parking meter enforcers to attach the transponders, but if they have to follow someone in person and cannot use the transponder without a valid warrant they aren't likely to waste time and manpower following some random joe and hoping he does something illegal.

I find it funny that a couple of months ago, people were saying that we didn't need guns because the government would never infringe on our rights, and that if we thought they would, we were crazy conspiracy theory murderes. "don't worry the government would ever take away your rights, if you think they are, you listen to alex jones too much you right wing extremist" Why does the government need to track everywhere we go? What useful function does that serve? The United States of America is turning into a fucking police state. I'll just take the device off and put it somewhere. My car is private property, as is the house I live in, as is the place I work, ect. ect.

[QUOTE=TestECull;40035078]Drawing the line is pretty simple. If you can't learn information either through [b]existing[/b] public information laws, by simply asking them and having them voluntarily tell you, or by just watching someone with your own two eyeballs you need a warrant to learn it. It's really that simple. Tracking someone's car with a GPS transponder has already been declared unconstitutional by the supreme court, so there's no arguing "Well this just equals following someone." It doesn't. Tracking someone's whereabouts is a pretty serious thing and it needs to be done in person to minimize the chances of privacy-violating unreasonable search. With the GPS transponder cops can track everyone at once, using parking meter enforcers to attach the transponders, but if they have to follow someone in person and cannot use the transponder without a valid warrant they aren't likely to waste time and manpower following some random joe and hoping he does something illegal.[/QUOTE] Why would the state follow people hoping they will do something illegal? That's a pointless waste of resources, and the state doesn't give two shits about what you are up to unless you are doing something criminal. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=UziXxX;40035168]I find it funny that a couple of months ago, people were saying that we didn't need guns because the government would never infringe on our rights, and that if we thought they would, we were crazy conspiracy theory murderes.[/quote] You are a deluded conspiracy theorist, mainly because you support conspiracy theories. Also the thing about guns. I can honestly tell you that if the american government took away your firearms, you would lose in a revolution. There is no question about it. You would lose. [/quote]"don't worry the government would ever take away your rights, if you think they are, you listen to alex jones too much you right wing extremist"[/QUOTE] How can the state oppress you? The more it intrudes into your personal life, the more incompetent, bloated and inefficient it becomes until it rots away from the inside out. North Korea and Oceania from 1984 are countries that are mismanaged so badly that they are actually doomed to collapse from internal problems given time.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;40022447]MIPS, I generally enjoy it when you post, but this is so goddamn stupid that it blows my mind. I mean just a legitimately dumb and ignorant thing to say.[/QUOTE] The government is stomping on American rights more and more everyday. It's happening in Canada to, at a lesser extent. Canadian's are just blind to it. Canadian exceptionalism is stronger than American exceptionalism. Canada does no wrong, it is perfect. :pwn:

[QUOTE=don868;40018936]There is no privacy issue, you're outside, you have no right to privacy. You're technically on state property. If you break it, you are liable for it, and if you don't put it back where you found it, I feel you should be charged with obstruction of justice.[/QUOTE] Why is everyone rating this guy dumb, his argument is logical. People should have nothing to hide. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] Privacy is something we all take for granted, but it's something we can't always have, no matter how hard we may try.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40036158]The government is stomping on American rights more and more everyday. It's happening in Canada to, at a lesser extent. Canadian's are just blind to it. Canadian exceptionalism is stronger than American exceptionalism. Canada does no wrong, it is perfect. :pwn:[/QUOTE] It is perfect.

It'd be funny if you find one of these on your car so you take it off and stick it on the nearest Taxi.

[QUOTE=areolop;40024050]please cite these laws. i wish to know[/QUOTE] Obvious examples like the Patriot Act and TSA shouldn't even have to be mentioned, but I will go through a few less obvious ones. Federal Reserve: in violation of Article 1, Section 8. "To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;" - Congress should be in direct control of the value of the dollar, not an arms-length organization. Tax benefits for religious organizations: 1st Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Random searches, stop-and-frisk, warrantless spying: 4th Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon [B]probable cause[/B], supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA): 6th Amendment: [URL]http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/sixth_amendment[/URL] - Basically innocent until proven guilty, right to a speedy trial, right to know your accusers, etc... but NDAA allows the government to detain American citizens indefinitely without trial. Fines for copyright violation: up to $250,000 per infraction? 8th Amendment: "Excessive bail shall not be required, [B]nor excessive fines imposed[/B], nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." EULAs, untradable licenses: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine"]First Sale Doctrine[/URL]: When buying digital goods, American law considers transfering your license to someone else illegal. For example, selling your Steam account is illegal. It's interesting to note that in the EU, trading your license is perfectly legal as long as the seller loses or otherwise gives up access to the license afterwards (eg you change the Steam password). Guantanamo Bay and other torture shenanigans, forcing people to buy health insurance, gun bans... it's a long list.

[QUOTE=Ybbat;40018923]Clearly a privacy issue. Plus what if you find the device? Are you supposed to just let it sit under your car? What if you break it? I have a feeling they'd charge you with the destruction of property. Plus it's just down right creepy.[/QUOTE] Remove battery and then cover it in liquid blister agent. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blister_agent[/url] Sure, guy, the GPS is is just malfunctioning. Come on, replace it. See how it works out.

Is there any way to counteract this, aside from a manual check? I figure they'd try hiding a GPS device somewhere crafty.