• God is not the Creator, claims academic
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[QUOTE=billeh!;17785089]Stop generalizing religion into one huge clump. Religions like [B]Buddhism [/B]and Methodism promote compassion and understanding. Sure, some religions have absolutely no logical foundations, but they promote positive behaviors. Even then, Buddhism and other religions like it are more like philosophies and are founded upon thousands of years of thinking. Some religions help people find their own way to live happily.[/QUOTE] Buddhism is a pretty terrible religion if you look into it.
[QUOTE=McSanchezV2;17785103]"I must stone that women to death for exposing part of her neck in public!!!" "I think that that is unjust." "LEAVE MY BELIEFS ALONE YOU EVIL BIGOT!!!"[/QUOTE] Care to provide the passage in the bible that condones that behavior? What? You can not? Don't worry, I forgive you
1: It affects political decisions and people are still dying from it. 2: He's honestly trying to help, like a christian would try to help. 3: At least for America, we've agreed to keep religion out of the process of law. If we do otherwise, it's not American, and not what our nation was built on, and it's exclusive. [editline]08:02PM[/editline] dobleninjalol
[QUOTE=salt1;17785318]Care to provide the passage in the bible that condones that behavior? What? You can not? Don't worry, I forgive you[/QUOTE] I was just saying that sometimes you just can't leave other peoples' beliefs alone.
[QUOTE=salt1;17785288]1.) A persons beliefs don't affect you so why should you care?[/QUOTE] read a history book
[QUOTE=McSanchezV2;17785353]I was just saying that sometimes you just can't leave other peoples' beliefs alone.[/QUOTE] Ok then, I apologize for the misunderstanding But I did say that you should care if it has an effect on you [QUOTE=Doriol;17785360]read a history book[/QUOTE] I have, so unless you wish to bring up an instance that contradicts my statement, you should calm down
People need to keep their thoughts to their selves. (as I'm about to not do.) Sure, I'm a Christian agnostic, but i don't go around on the internet saying "HEY GUYS AGREE WITH ME !111". Many of these people are right, religion should be kept out of society, it's for the better.
[QUOTE=salt1;17785288]1.) A persons beliefs don't affect you so why should you care? That’s the argument that people use to support gay marriage right? [B]When people in a position of power have a belief in an illogical concept it bothers me. Let's start with terrorists, they are in a position of power at the end of a trigger/detonator and are a threat to peoples right to life. They are a threat because they believe in an illogical deity and afterlife, if they didn't, then they wouldn't be a threat. How about your local government representative or congress member? A lot of them are conservatives that are christian and often gain power in southern states through a political platform of being christian, where they go off into government to vote on things and often their decisions are affected by their moral and religious beliefs. They are making decisions for me based on irrational beliefs. So how does this not affect me? Then lets move down to YOU the person who would vote for them, these people have power because religious people vote for them because they are both religious and have similar beliefs and thus would want a religious person to represent them. Which, again, is making decisions for me based on irrational beliefs.[/B] 2.) Keep your beliefs to yourself along with your high horse attitude.... If you don't want to hear of our religion try showing some tact and just inform the speaker " I don't wish to listen to this right now, please leave me alone? Has anyone taught you how to deal with people? [B]Read above about peoples beliefs affecting more then themselves.[/B] 3.) Who cares? Unless it's something that dictates that you follow said religion or follow some code that could only be useful to said religion why should you care? If the law is based in logic and morality than it doesn’t really matter if it was mentioned in a religion. Judge laws on their value not on where they came from [B]Morality is often derived from scripture. Ue: laws against gay marriage. I'd say the US is mostly free from this, but I'm sure someone more knowledgeable would be able to point some examples out to me.[/B] 4.) Nice logic, if it shows itself attack it A.) So what sort of situation do you mean when you say "Public”? B.) Discussed politics already C.) Science is not religion and religion is not science. Look them both up [B]Wahahahha stemcells are immoral!!! = Government banned stemcells.[/B] 5.) Oh no, He spelled a word incorrectly when telling me the sky was blue! That means the sky must actually be green![/QUOTE] Ahem.
[QUOTE=salt1;17785381] I have, so unless you wish to bring up an instance that contradicts my statement, you should calm down[/QUOTE] read a history book
[QUOTE=salt1;17785288]1.) A persons beliefs don't affect you so why should you care? That’s the argument that people use to support gay marriage right? 2.) Keep your beliefs to yourself along with your high horse attitude.... If you don't want to hear of our religion try showing some tact and just inform the speaker " I don't wish to listen to this right now, please leave me alone? Has anyone taught you how to deal with people? 3.) Who cares? Unless it's something that dictates that you follow said religion or follow some code that could only be useful to said religion why should you care? If the law is based in logic and morality than it doesn’t really matter if it was mentioned in a religion. Judge laws on their value not on where they came from 4.) Nice logic, if it shows itself attack it A.) So what sort of situation do you mean when you say "Public”? B.) Discussed politics already C.) Science is not religion and religion is not science. Look them both up 5.) Oh no, He spelled a word incorrectly when telling me the sky was blue! That means the sky must actually be green![/QUOTE] people are entitled to their own beliefs, i truly believe in that - but so many times i see God being cited by senators and congressman and that undermines the values of the United Sates; we're supposed to separate church and religion. gay marriage and drug legalization are the big things that the religious right are against and more than often use "God" to justify their beliefs, even though both of those things would make the world a more peaceful and just place. i also understand that many common values parallel religious tenants, and that is not what i'm upset about - i am upset when president Bush uses God as an excuse to go to war. that is down right absurd. i try to be as modest as possible, but it's hard when discussing religion with people - because i think their beliefs are incorrect and ignorant. again, i have no issue with fairy tales as long as they are kept to YOURSELF. and how is my "if religion pokes its head out - attack it" logic? it's a plan of action.
[QUOTE=salt1;17785381]Ok then, I apologize for the misunderstanding But I did say that you should care if it has an effect on you [B]I have, so unless you wish to bring up an instance that contradicts my statement, you should calm down[/B][/QUOTE] Please take a look at the middle east. How some countries there are a theocracy which you should know is a government run by religious law. [editline]08:10PM[/editline] I don't understand how people with access to the fucking internet, all of Wikipedia, medical journals, chemistry journals, thousands of articles, university websites and whatever fucking else can continue to hold on to ridiculously ignorant beliefs.
[QUOTE=siberpredaht;17785414]people are entitled to their own beliefs, i truly believe in that - but so many times i see God being cited by senators and congressman and that undermines the values of the United Sates; we're supposed to separate church and religion. gay marriage and drug legalization are the big things that the religious right are against and more than often use "God" to justify their beliefs, even though both of those things would make the world a more peaceful and just place. i also understand that many common values parallel religious tenants, and that is not what i'm upset about - i am upset when president Bush uses God as an excuse to go to war. that is down right absurd. i try to be as modest as possible, but it's hard when discussing religion with people - because i think their beliefs are incorrect and ignorant. again, i have no issue with fairy tales as long as they are kept to YOURSELF. and how is my "if religion pokes its head out - attack it" logic? it's a plan of action.[/QUOTE] Precisely. I don't care what people think, but when is starts to come around and ultimately retard the progress of the world, it's a problem.
That still means that the earth was supposedly around before the fucking sun. This changes nothing.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17785459]That still means that the earth was supposedly around before the fucking sun. This changes nothing.[/QUOTE] Who is that in your avatar?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;17785478]Who is that in your avatar?[/QUOTE] Richard Dawkins I believe. [editline]08:14PM[/editline] [img]http://www.myjewishlearning.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Richard_Dawkins_2.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=salt1;17785318]Care to provide the passage in the bible that condones that behavior? What? You can not? Don't worry, I forgive you[/QUOTE] He wasn't referring to the Bible, but to Islamic culture But i can find equally barbaric lines in the bible if you wish: DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives. If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go. HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21 Exodus 31:15 - "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death." Deuteronomy 22:13-21 - "If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate…. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; and they shall amerse him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he has brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel; and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she has wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house…." Leviticus 21:9 - "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt by fire." Deuteronomy 22:23-24 - "If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city…." Deuteronomy 23:2 - "A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." [b]I have more if you'd like[/b]
Maybe.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17785509]Maybe.[/QUOTE] Maybe. *sniff* Maybe. [img]http://ak.static.dailymotion.com/dyn/preview/320x240/9919496.jpg[/img] But I have yet to find one that can outsmart BIBLE! BWA HAHA
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;17785522]Maybe. *sniff* Maybe. [img]http://ak.static.dailymotion.com/dyn/preview/320x240/9919496.jpg[/img] But I have yet to find one that can outsmart BIBLE! BWA HAHA[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=2843&dateline=1255234021[/img]
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17785534][img]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=2843&dateline=1255234021[/img][/QUOTE] Little baby man is so small, it is funny to me. (shitpostingfor4000'thpost)
[QUOTE=siberpredaht;17785217]any excuse for ignorance is a bad thing in my book Buddhism is interesting in that it is not a traditional religion but Buddhism is not spared from my criticism, people have killed and died in the name of it there is no use in defending religion, it simply is not a good thing[/QUOTE] Your argument is completely invalidated by the fact that people have been killed in died in the name of practically any opinion or belief. Religion is not purely an excuse for religion, I'm just saying that religion is not all bad. So stop gunning everyone down that doesn't agree with you that religion is the most terrible thing since anything, and open YOUR mind a little to accept the fact that religion can have some positive effects on people as well as negative effects.
[QUOTE=billeh!;17785968]Your argument is completely invalidated by the fact that people have been killed in died in the name of practically any opinion or belief. Religion is not purely an excuse for religion, [B]I'm just saying that religion is not all bad.[/B] So stop gunning everyone down that doesn't agree with you that religion is the most terrible thing since anything, and open YOUR mind a little to accept the fact that religion can have some positive effects on people as well as negative effects.[/QUOTE] Anything that is wrong and yet is still believed in by people, I believe to be bad. Truth first, consequences later.
who the fuck cares, religion is bullshit anyway.
This is an amusing thread.
[QUOTE=billeh!;17785968]Your argument is completely invalidated by the fact that people have been killed in died in the name of practically any opinion or belief. Religion is not purely an excuse for religion, I'm just saying that religion is not all bad. So stop gunning everyone down that doesn't agree with you that religion is the most terrible thing since anything, and open YOUR mind a little to accept the fact that religion can have some positive effects on people as well as negative effects.[/QUOTE] you ever hear the quote, "Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things; to get good people to do bad things you need religion." i truly believe that and yes, you're right, people have tortured, killed in the name of extreme nationalism - but i'm against that as well. we have to take one step at a time, and getting rid of religion is the next step (i do realize we cannot get rid of religion, but we are severely crippling it)
[QUOTE=billeh!;17785968]Your argument is completely invalidated by the fact that people have been killed in died in the name of practically any opinion or belief. Religion is not purely an excuse for religion, I'm just saying that religion is not all bad. So stop gunning everyone down that doesn't agree with you that religion is the most terrible thing since anything, and open YOUR mind a little to accept the fact that religion can have some positive effects on people as well as negative effects.[/QUOTE] But are they positive effects people can reach without religion? Especially in this modern society?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17785986]Anything that is wrong and yet is still believed in by people, I believe to be bad. Truth first, consequences later.[/QUOTE] And that brings me back to this: Anything that can be presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I'm very non-religious myself, but I think it's a bit unfair the immediately judge all religions by their negative qualities. [editline]08:55PM[/editline] [QUOTE=siberpredaht;17786053]you ever hear the quote, "Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things; to get good people to do bad things you need religion." i truly believe that and yes, you're right, people have tortured, killed in the name of extreme nationalism - but i'm against that as well. we have to take one step at a time, and getting rid of religion is the next step (i do realize we cannot get rid of religion, but we are severely crippling it)[/QUOTE] See above.
[QUOTE=salt1;17785318]Care to provide the passage in the bible that condones that behavior? What? You can not? Don't worry, I forgive you[/QUOTE] He was being hyperbolic, but De 22:21 is pretty :smug:
[QUOTE=billeh!;17786110]And that brings me back to this: Anything that can be presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I'm very non-religious myself, [B]but I think it's a bit unfair the immediately judge all religions by their negative qualities.[/B] [editline]08:55PM[/editline] See above.[/QUOTE] I think it's a bit hard to find many religions with positive quantities that completely outweigh the negative.
[QUOTE=billeh!;17786110] I'm very non-religious myself, [B]but I think it's a bit unfair the immediately judge all religions by their negative qualities.[/B] [/QUOTE] Hitler did a lot of good things for Germany before he started the war. I think it's a bit unfair judging nazism by its negative qualities. [editline]06:12AM[/editline] Also, not comparing any religions with nazism, just saying that you can't just ignore the bad parts and only look at the good.
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