[QUOTE=Kybalt;17778689]
Anyway, before forensic sciences and such, it would be near impossible to catch criminals, without some sort of "[B]YOURE GOING TO FUCKING BURN IN HELL FOR THIS SHIT[/B]" people wouldn't be as easy to keep from crime and such. (Just one example of how religion used to be useful)[/QUOTE]
you do realize that religion was the excuse for pretty much every war back then, right?
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;17778661]Is comfort not important?[/QUOTE]
We can take comfort in science now, instead of fairytales.
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[QUOTE=Doriol;17778724]you do realize that religion was the excuse for pretty much every war back then, right?[/QUOTE]
Everything has it's pros and cons. Maybe there was a better way, maybe there wasn't. We probably won't ever know, and it doesn't matter all that much since we can't change history (or can we?). The important thing is now. And I think now it's time for religion to hit the road.
I am christian, and I never took the "creatio ex nihilo" thing seriously. This is pretty interesting, but nothing ground breaking for me.
Now those stupid atheists will have no choice but to accept that God seperated Earth and Heaven in the beginning. Since this goes along with evolution and all that big bang crap.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17778728]We can take comfort in science now, instead of fairytales.
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Science will never support our comfort in an afterlife.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;17778809]Science will never support our comfort in an afterlife.[/QUOTE]
But with enough medical advancements, we could live "forever".
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;17778809]Science will never support our comfort in an afterlife.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I find the idea that we are a bunch of atoms destined to break apart someday very disturbing. This is where philosophy comes in. I agree a lot with Immanuel Kant. I know this will sound a little sketchy, but since humans are the only creatures that have inherent good, they are different from other animals. Perhaps that humans are the only rational beings (By rational I mean possess the ability of consciousness) Imagine yourself in an animal body. What I am saying is that does not exist.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17778880]But with enough medical advancements, we could live "forever".[/QUOTE]
But is living forever on Earth comparable with living forever in a paradise?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17778880]But with enough medical advancements, we could live "forever".[/QUOTE]
Even with the ability to not age, you will still only live an average of 1300 years (I think it's 1300) because something will kill you eventually.
When you die I do suggest you have yourself cryogenically frozen so if immortality is discovered, you can be revived. Who knows if your "Soul" will still be in that body though. That is the spiritual argument against cryogenics.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17778880]But with enough medical advancements, we could live "forever".[/QUOTE]
I doubt it
Unless you can bring up something that does not eventually rot ,crumble away into dust or somehow pass into some other phase of being.
I wish Thor existed.
[QUOTE=salt1;17778962]I doubt it
Unless you can bring up something that does not eventually rot ,crumble away into dust or somehow pass into some other phase of being.[/QUOTE]
Cell replication and free radical research.
[QUOTE=salt1;17778962]I doubt it
Unless you can bring up something that does not eventually rot ,crumble away into dust or somehow pass into some other phase of being.[/QUOTE]
Nanotechnology has the possibility of doing just that.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;17778958]Even with the ability to not age, you will still only live an average of 1300 years (I think it's 1300) because something will kill you eventually.
When you die I do suggest you have yourself cryogenically frozen so if immortality is discovered, you can be revived. [B]Who knows if your "Soul" will still be in that body though.[/B] That is the spiritual argument against cryogenics.[/QUOTE]
There is no evidence for the existence of a soul. Your mind is you. It is everything you are and hope to be, all your hopes and dreams are in your mind in the form of chemicals and electricity and whatever else. When your mind is destroyed, all your hopes and dreams die with you. Does this disturb you? Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't bother me too much.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17779071]There is no evidence for the existence of a soul. Your mind is you. It is everything you are and hope to be, all your hopes and dreams are in your mind in the form of chemicals and electricity and whatever else. When your mind is destroyed, all your hopes and dreams die with you. Does this disturb you? Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't bother me too much.[/QUOTE]
Some people like to think more optimistically.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;17778927]But is living forever on Earth comparable with living forever in a paradise?[/QUOTE]
Space travel. And again, as science progresses, we may not have to work. If people didn't have to work, if everything could be built and manufactured by robots, and people only had to invent new things, or be creative, if everyone could have food, shelter and clean water and clothes and whatever were cheap, wouldn't the world be a better place to live? What would make it a paradise? Besides, there is no logical argument for the existence of life after death or any sort of paradise after death.
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[QUOTE=gamefreek76;17779107]Some people like to think more [B]irrationally[/B].[/QUOTE]
Fix'd.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17779071]There is no evidence for the existence of a soul. Your mind is you. It is everything you are and hope to be, all your hopes and dreams are in your mind in the form of chemicals and electricity and whatever else. When your mind is destroyed, all your hopes and dreams die with you. Does this disturb you? Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't bother me too much.[/QUOTE]
The very fact that I am my own individual leads me to believe I am not just a brain.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;17779179]The very fact that I am my own individual leads me to believe I am not just a brain.[/QUOTE]
How so? Your brain is an individual. Actually, you aren't even always conscious of yourself. When you're going through your day, you don't think about what [B]you[/B] are doing. You just do it. Consciousness is self-awareness, and we aren't always self-aware, just when we want to/need to be.
:colbert:
Also I found a ad at the bottom of the page called "IS THERE A GOD?" I didnt click it :v:
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17779193]How so?[/QUOTE]
It would take me ages to explain. We are the only beings with free will. Of course our free will is influenced by our human instincts, but you can (if you want) rip off your clothes and run around New York City if you really want to. Animals and other living organisms do not possess any sort of free will. No one can prove where this free will comes from. Plato described the 'soul' as I believe in it:
[quote]Plato, drawing on the words of his teacher Socrates, considered the soul as the essence of a person, being, that which decides how we behave. He considered this essence as an incorporeal, eternal occupant of our being. As bodies die the soul is continually reborn in subsequent bodies. The Platonic soul comprises three parts:
the logos (mind, nous, or reason)
the thymos (emotion, or spiritedness, or masculine)
the eros (appetitive, or desire, or feminine)[/quote]
[QUOTE=Doriol;17778724]you do realize that religion was the excuse for pretty much every war back then, right?[/QUOTE]
Like the Viking invasion of Normandy and Britain?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17778607]We have an explanation for the origin on life on earth. Were learning about all this quantum mechanics stuff, universal stuff, stuff that people 2000 years ago didn't have the slightest clue about (germs, plague, chemistry). I think you're understating our achievements.[/QUOTE]
I think that every stage of human discovery is proceeded by a further 'level' of understanding; first we understand ourselves, then we understand our world, then we understand the planets around us, and so on
It is not to say that I don't value our past achievements, but to say that there is possibly infinite knowledge to be gained from the 'everything', whether that's a universe, multiverse, multi-multiverse, or more
[QUOTE=Nyaos;17779284]It would take me ages to explain. [B]We are the only beings with free will.[/B] Of course our free will is influenced by our human instincts, but you can (if you want) rip off your clothes and run around New York City if you really want to. [B]Animals and other living organisms do not possess any sort of free will[/B]. No one can prove where this free will comes from. Plato described the 'soul' as I believe in it:[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. We are the only beings that have created a society where we don't have to spend all our time looking for food, this just gave us time to look into other pursuits, arts, philosophy and such.
The free will comes from out minds. The brain is the only part of the human body that when it's damaged causes a loss of intellect and what not.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17779193]How so? Your brain is an individual. Actually, you aren't even always conscious of yourself. When you're going through your day, you don't think about what [B]you[/B] are doing. You just do it. Consciousness is self-awareness, and we aren't always self-aware, just when we want to/need to be.[/QUOTE]
I know what you mean. I've thought about that too. I think that's the soul being dormant. Anyways I can't really prove any of this (Just like any religion) but my belief in this makes me feel better. If I were to believe I had no purpose but to just die, I don't think I'd have been motivated to make something of myself.
I most likely believe that she is right with her translation, however one could say that she is mistranslating the Hebrew as well. We have to view everything with a bit of skepticism.
[QUOTE=DaveP;17779348][B]I think that every stage of human discovery is proceeded by a further 'level' of understanding; first we understand ourselves, then we understand our world, then we understand the planets around us, and so on[/B]
It is not to say that I don't value our past achievements, but to say that there is possibly infinite knowledge to be gained from the 'everything', whether that's a universe, multiverse, multi-multiverse, or more[/QUOTE]
Makes sense, I guess.
But we haven't even left the gravitational influence of earth. As far as that is, I think we know quite a bit about where we have been able to go.
[QUOTE=Machk;17779433]I most likely believe that she is right with her translation, however one could say that she is mistranslating the Hebrew as well. We have to view everything with a bit of skepticism.[/QUOTE]
The interesting notion is that it highlights the idea of the bible being solely based on your interpretations therein. Some people take it word for word, some people view it as aesops fables; some people revise/retranslate the words in a certain way and some people in others; The bible is not what is written in it, but rather what is made of it, and that is perhaps part of its long term solidity in society, and also leads one to question why we are sometimes so 'precious' with it when it comes to reinterpretations/out of date ideals
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17779453]Makes sense, I guess.
But we haven't even left the gravitational influence of earth. As far as that is, I think we know quite a bit about where we have been able to go.[/QUOTE]
Along the same lines man thought they knew almost the entire earth before they discovered the americas, or thought that they knew almost the entire of the heavens before telescopes were invented
[QUOTE=Nyaos;17779416]I know what you mean. I've thought about that too. I think that's the soul being dormant. Anyways I can't really prove any of this (Just like any religion) but my belief in this makes me feel better. If I were to believe I had no purpose but to just die, I don't think I'd have been motivated to make something of myself.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe in a soul because it's irrational. I don't believe there is any purpose to life other then what purpose you give it yourself. I think it's somewhat weak to make yourself feel better about life and death by believing you have some higher purpose. I think your purpose is one you choose, if that doesn't motivate you then I don't know what will.
seems like they are just changing it so it gets rid of arguements...
"god created the universe"
"no the big bang did"
new change!
"universe was there, possibly made by big bang and god created everything else."
like they are compromising or something.
Sweet.
So, Science can be related to religion.
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