• Scientists Discover Fat People Have Been Lying to Them
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[QUOTE=Combine 177;47211080]Coffee doesn't make you fat, right?[/QUOTE] depends are you drinking starbucks 400 calorie lattes, or are you just drinking a cup of coffee black? the latter has very few calories, while the former is basically two sodas.
Fatness is supply-demand issue. More energy is input than used, extra is stored as fat which burns very well. Calories are completely irrelevant too, as they are only a measure for how much you can heat water, carbohydrates and sugars are much more important, as they are primary source of energy. The problem also is foods that don't make you feel full so you are still hungry but can produce a lot of energy, and since the brain only considers that you had enough when you are full because that's how raw food works. You can eat the healthiest possible foods in stupid amounts and you will still get fat.
You want to lose weight, eat less and do more exercise. You're not losing enough, exercise more and eat better food in smaller quantity. Anyone who pretends they eat significantly less and practice significantly more than usual without any result is an outright [I]liar[/I], end of story. And if you have an eating disorder and can't stop eating even when you're not hungry go see a psychiatrist if you want to get it solved.
Jesus christ the amount of bro-science in this thread is ridiculous. [editline]25th February 2015[/editline] I am going to just plug this though: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/[/url] I cut sugar/carbs out of my diet completely for a year (still keeping it up though), went from 200lb to 149lb in 6 months. Ate delicious chicken and beef and ranch dressing. 10/10 would lose weight again
[QUOTE=Kybalt;47211653]Jesus christ the amount of bro-science in this thread is ridiculous. [editline]25th February 2015[/editline] I am going to just plug this though: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/[/URL] I cut sugar/carbs out of my diet completely for a year (still keeping it up though), went from 200lb to 149lb in 6 months. Ate delicious chicken and beef and ranch dressing. 10/10 would lose weight again[/QUOTE] ketogenic diet is great for fat loss but its pretty much an instant-killer if you want to keep working out and making strength gains (of course if that isnt your goal then keto works just fine)
[QUOTE=Deng;47207443]This is why some people think dieting and exercise doesn't work. The truth is that it does. It's just that fat people underestimate how much they eat, and think they exercise more than they actually do.[/QUOTE] This. "I ran for an hour today" but they don't mention the full pizza and a 2 liter coke they had right after
[QUOTE=Protocol7;47210774]I'm getting fat so last night I threw out all of my garbage food (booze, chips, cookies etc). I've already cut out soda but I drink a shitload of coffee which probably isn't helping. I go to the gym, albeit moderately infrequently, mostly for cardiovascular reasons though.[/QUOTE] Coffee is fine, just don't put too much sugar in it. It's good that you recognised that you are putting on too much weight though. 2 years ago I woke up one day, looked in the mirror and weighed myself. I was 75 kg (165 lbs), most of it fat. I said "fuck this, I'm losing weight". 6 months of running and diet later I was down to 60 kg (132 lbs). Unfortunately I've gained a good amount of that weight back, partially thanks to the fact that I haven't had much time to run since starting uni. I'm definitely going to work back some exercise into my schedule. [editline]26th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47211238]Your body taps fat reserves well before it starts eating away muscle, that sort of shit is 2 weeks of no food levels of starvation.[/QUOTE] Actually, starvation works like this. For the first 18-24 hours of starvation, your body breaks down glycogen stores into glucose, to feed the brain. After that, it starts to break down proteins to free up amino acids that can then be metabolised into glucose, to feed the brain. Finally, after 3 days, the body starts to break down fats into ketone bodies, to feed the brain. Man, our brain is one greedy fucker.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;47211971]Coffee is fine, just don't put too much sugar in it. It's good that you recognised that you are putting on too much weight though. 2 years ago I woke up one day, looked in the mirror and weighed myself. I was 75 kg (165 lbs), most of it fat. I said "fuck this, I'm losing weight". 6 months of running and diet later I was down to 60 kg (132 lbs). Unfortunately I've gained a good amount of that weight back, partially thanks to the fact that I haven't had much time to run since starting uni. I'm definitely going to work back some exercise into my schedule. [editline]26th February 2015[/editline] Actually, starvation works like this. For the first 18-24 hours of starvation, your body breaks down glycogen stores into glucose, to feed the brain. After that, it starts to break down proteins to free up amino acids that can then be metabolised into glucose, to feed the brain. Finally, after 3 days, the body starts to break down fats into ketone bodies, to feed the brain. Man, our brain is one greedy fucker.[/QUOTE] Yeah the brain consumes 25% of the oxygen your lungs extract from each breath.
the brain is essentially a huge computer after all, those electrical impulses dont run cheap
[QUOTE=hydrated;47209738]99% of fat shamers are probably lanky teenagers who eat anything and everything they want and don't get any exercise outside of their walks between classes and just ride on their ridiculous adolescent metabolisms, and will turn 19 in 4 years and get hit hard by how difficult it is to maintain a "healthy" weight[/QUOTE] as a fat person, fat apologists and white knights can fuck right off
[QUOTE=Kybalt;47211653]Jesus christ the amount of bro-science in this thread is ridiculous. [editline]25th February 2015[/editline] I am going to just plug this though: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/[/url] I cut sugar/carbs out of my diet completely for a year (still keeping it up though), went from 200lb to 149lb in 6 months. Ate delicious chicken and beef and ranch dressing. 10/10 would lose weight again[/QUOTE] basically this. cut out the high carb, processed shit and you're golden.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;47208715]I cut soda out once nothing happened, so I went back to drinking it. I'm not gonna give up my favourite drink if it has no impact either way.[/QUOTE] So you started eating more of other foods then, or already were. "welp I cut soda but im not losing weight" "opens a bag of chips". What do you expect? [editline]25th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;47210774]I'm getting fat so last night I threw out all of my garbage food (booze, chips, cookies etc). I've already cut out soda but I drink a shitload of coffee which probably isn't helping. I go to the gym, albeit moderately infrequently, mostly for cardiovascular reasons though.[/QUOTE] Coffee increases your metabolism, so 1 cup every 1-2 days is perfectly fine.
I honestly think gaining weight is harder than losing it. I have to constantly be monitoring my diet and how much I exercise when I am trying to gain muscle. I lose weight by accident, ie, stressful week of class so I don't go to the gym as often. To consistently gain weight you have to constantly have a caloric surplus. If you think you're not overeating but still gaining weight you're just lying to yourself about how much you eat. It isn't even a "metabolic difference either"; there isn't such a dramatic difference between people's metabolisms for that to have a large effect.
What if I told you the only way to lose fat is to eat less calories than you use in a day Diets really are bullshit. Well, sort of. The only thing they accomplish is they make it "easy" to trick yourself into just eating less. You will lose weight by eating well portioned twinkies in a manner where you meet your calorie goals every day for a month just the same as if you had a lot of "health food" instead (of course you'll feel like shit, feel starved, have no energy, etc if you decide to eat only twinkies). The easiest way to lose weight is to simply become aware of what you are putting in your body. When you do that, it really gets surprising. "Oh shit, I had no idea I effectively ate 1500 calories on just random snacks throughout my day today!" When you are aware of what you eat, you are much less likely to accidently over-eat on anything and more likely to eat big filling meals that fill you up for less calories. [editline]25th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bdd458;47213317]basically this. cut out the high carb, processed shit and you're golden.[/QUOTE] Except that doesn't actually matter [url]http://examine.com/faq/will-carbs-make-me-fat.html[/url] [quote]As we explained on another page, the only factor in weight loss is consuming less calories than one needs, regardless of the make up of protein, fat, and carbohydrates. This is true for the inverse - to gain fat, you must consume more calories than you need, regardless of protein, fat, and carbohydrates content.[/quote] However [url]http://examine.com/faq/are-there-health-benefits-of-a-low-carb-diet.html[/url] [quote]To clarify, when it comes to weight loss, the only thing that matters are calories in vs calories out. Macro composition does not matter. With that in mind, relative to a high-carb diet, a low-carb diet has been shown to improve fasting plasma glucose and insulin levels, cholesterol levels, blood triglycerides, preserve muscle mass during weight loss, and other health markers.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][/quote] Body composition it doesn't matter what the hell you eat, just how much. Diets work by tricking you into eating a proper amount of food, and that is about it. That said, having a well balanced diet that avoids processed junk food is [I]much healthier[/I] than one that does not. Eat your veggies because they are really good for your body, not because they are good for your waistline (though they are also good for that since they are super low calorie but filling).
You only have to cut soda if you drink a shitload of it.
Fat people are disgusting and muh genetics is bullshit. The 'your brain literally tells you you're still starving no matter how much you eat' thing is an actual thing, tho
Here's an interesting read: [url=http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/]Twinkie diet helps nutrition professor lose 27 pounds[/url]
[QUOTE=ThePanther;47213807]Here's an interesting read: [url=http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/]Twinkie diet helps nutrition professor lose 27 pounds[/url][/QUOTE] as a sidenote though, losing pounds doesn't mean you're healthier, to a point, in fact, losing weight can also be an extremely serious sign of bad health that and, you can be even more unhealthy than a fatty, and be 30-80 pounds thinner than obese [editline]25th February 2015[/editline] it's not a question of quality and quantity you need BOTH
[QUOTE=J!NX;47214502]as a sidenote though, losing pounds doesn't mean you're healthier, to a point, in fact, losing weight can also be an extremely serious sign of bad health that and, you can be even more unhealthy than a fatty, and be 30-80 pounds thinner than obese [/QUOTE] Being overweight is typically unhealthy, and most people who are trying to lose weight are typically overweight. Most fat people who slim down to normal size almost always improve their health in the process.
All you people saying that genetics play no role in obesity and losing weight is as easy as eating less are grossly underestimating how our bodies work. Epigenetics play a role in obesity. Epigenetics are changes to the expression or phenotype of genes caused by environmental factors. Basically, your environment, even your environment in your mother's womb, affects how your genes are expressed. [quote=Youngson, MA & Morris MJ][B]Early-life exposures to stress, under or over-nutrition during gestation or lactation and chemicals such as endocrine disruptors have all been associated with increased risk of obesity in adulthood. [/B] Obesity is part of a range of programmed disorders that are collectively known as ‘metabolic syndrome’, the others being hyperglycemia, insulin resistance, hyperlipidemia, hyperinsulinemia and hypertension. [B]The cause of the syndrome is thought to be due to a mismatch in the environment experienced by the organism during development compared with later life. [/B] For example, if an organism experiences reduced nutrients during development, it can be ‘programmed’ to anticipate the same environment in later life. This would involve hyperphagia, increased fat storage and a preference for a high-fat diet. Such programming may have been advantageous in ancient human populations, as these ‘predictive adaptive responses’ would increase the chances of the individual surviving in a resource-limited environment. [B]However, if an individual is programmed in this way owing to an abnormal shortage of food (such as famine) or exposure to a chemical that mimics the famine programming, signals continue in a time of abundant food supply, and the mismatch could lead to obesity. [/B] As well as altered systemic metabolism, affecting glucose and lipid homeostasis, the programming of appetite and reward pathways in the brain, adipogenesis and inflammation are thought to be important programmed processes relevant to adult obesity...The precise mechanisms of developmental programming are not understood but are expected to be varied, as several initial triggers of programming are known. [B]Programmed epigenetic changes that are triggered by hormones, endocrine disruptors, circulating levels of different nutrients or social stress will likely be downstream consequences of environmental signals.[/B] Alternatively, some evidence also supports alteration of epigenetic state during development as the underlying cause adult phenotype. Methyl-donor deficiency or supplementation during gestation can cause DNA methylation changes that persist throughout the life of the offspring. Deficiency during gestation can cause genome-wide hypomethylation, while in utero supplementation has been shown to alter the methylation of specific genes. Importantly, there is now evidence for developmental programming to affect multiple generations. This is based on human epidemiological studies where nutritional availability in the grandparental generation has been shown to be associated with cardiovascular and metabolic health of the third generation. [B]These and other observations have created the possibility that, as obese mothers are more likely to have obese children, human populations may be facing an inter- generational cycle of obesity.[/B] Mouse models have attempted to test this and have confirmed transgenerational amplification of obesity and hepatic steatosis. [/quote] (Note: this is quoted from a paper that is an overview on a lot of the research done on the epigenetics of obesity, and there's way more citations for nearly each sentence in the paper and I'm too lazy to link each citation, so here's a link to the paper: [url]http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/royptb/368/1609/20110337.full.pdf[/url]) Hormones can also affect obesity. Leptin and ghrelin are hormones that control hunger. Leptin inhibits hunger, ghrelin is produced when the stomach is empty and promotes hunger. Ghrelin also affects the rate of energy used by the body. Leptin insensitivity is thought to be a big contributor to obesity, as high levels of leptin are found in obese people, which means that the body is producing more and more leptin (to inhibit hunger) due to the fact the body is not using it effectively (fat people are hungrier). By contrast, those with anorexia nervosa tend to have high levels of ghrelin, showing a similar effect with opposite results. Sleep affects levels of ghrelin and leptin, and lack of sleep promotes weight gain. (This is all a cursory explanation of a really complicated topic, but I recommend reading "An Introduction to Behavioral Endocrinology" by Randy J. Nelson, I had to use the book in my Hormones & Behavior class and it's full of incredibly interesting material from which I've lifted stuff from the last paragraph) I'm not saying that all fat people have some epigenetic changes leading to their obesity, but is it hard to believe that some obese people may have had excess stress in their lives, were exposed to certain toxins (there's some research about a certain chemical in plastic bottles having an epigenetic effect on obesity so it's not like exposure to something uncommon), had grand relatives who were obese and passed along their expression of certain genes, had mothers with weight issues, are using certain prescription drugs that affect apidogenesis, have hormonal inbalances, or have diagnosed conditions like metabolic syndrome that makes them have extreme difficulty losing weight even when they cut calories? [B]tl;dr[/B] Assuming everyone has the same body and assuming our body's nutrition is as simple as "calories in calories out" when our entire body is incredibly complex is downplaying the difficulty some people have losing weight.
[QUOTE=SleepyAl;47215002]I'm not saying that all fat people have some epigenetic changes leading to their obesity, but is it hard to believe that some obese people may have had excess stress in their lives, were exposed to certain toxins (there's some research about a certain chemical in plastic bottles having an epigenetic effect on obesity so it's not like exposure to something uncommon), had grand relatives who were obese and passed along their expression of certain genes, had mothers with weight issues, are using certain prescription drugs that affect apidogenesis, have hormonal inbalances, or have diagnosed conditions like metabolic syndrome that makes them have extreme difficulty losing weight even when they cut calories? [B]tl;dr[/B] Assuming everyone has the same body and assuming our body's nutrition is as simple as "calories in calories out" when our entire body is incredibly complex is downplaying the difficulty some people have losing weight.[/QUOTE] Like in my case, it was a mixture of a lot of things. I suffer from fairly severe asthma and allergies, and all of that really came to a head in middle school. Prior to middle school I was one of the skinniest kids ever and I didn't really gain all that much weight, i also fucking loved bread and other carb heavy foods. But then I started getting really bad asthma attacks, allergy issues, and mono. The medications I had been put on fucked all of that up. I didn't really eat any differently, but because of those meds it caused me to gain weight. Want to know what's actually been helping me lose weight? Eating the same amount of food, but cutting out a lot of the carbs I was eating. Not to mention all the guy's on my mother's fathers side of the family look like the guy in this picture, me included has led me to believe there's some genetics at play. Not to say I can't lose weight because of that predisposition, but to say that genetics have absolutely nothing to do with it is retarded. [IMG]http://www.alternacareinc.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Body-Types-Color-Photo-300x240.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=SleepyAl;47215002] [B]tl;dr[/B] Assuming everyone has the same body and assuming our body's nutrition is as simple as "calories in calories out" when our entire body is incredibly complex is downplaying the difficulty some people have losing weight.[/QUOTE] This is true, but there's still the fact that a lot of people are bad with self-reporting. Obesity became incredibly common in the past few decades, and most of it is more down to increasing food consumption per capita and the fact that less people work in physically demanding jobs now, rather than due to genetic factors. It's a widely accepted fact that people today are eating much more than in the 1950s. Also the research about toxins in plastic bottles is bollocks iirc.
[QUOTE=SleepyAl;47215002]All you people saying that genetics play no role in obesity and losing weight is as easy as eating less are grossly underestimating how our bodies work. Epigenetics play a role in obesity. Epigenetics are changes to the expression or phenotype of genes caused by environmental factors. Basically, your environment, even your environment in your mother's womb, affects how your genes are expressed. (Note: this is quoted from a paper that is an overview on a lot of the research done on the epigenetics of obesity, and there's way more citations for nearly each sentence in the paper and I'm too lazy to link each citation, so here's a link to the paper: [url]http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/royptb/368/1609/20110337.full.pdf[/url]) Hormones can also affect obesity. Leptin and ghrelin are hormones that control hunger. Leptin inhibits hunger, ghrelin is produced when the stomach is empty and promotes hunger. Ghrelin also affects the rate of energy used by the body. Leptin insensitivity is thought to be a big contributor to obesity, as high levels of leptin are found in obese people, which means that the body is producing more and more leptin (to inhibit hunger) due to the fact the body is not using it effectively (fat people are hungrier). By contrast, those with anorexia nervosa tend to have high levels of ghrelin, showing a similar effect with opposite results. Sleep affects levels of ghrelin and leptin, and lack of sleep promotes weight gain. (This is all a cursory explanation of a really complicated topic, but I recommend reading "An Introduction to Behavioral Endocrinology" by Randy J. Nelson, I had to use the book in my Hormones & Behavior class and it's full of incredibly interesting material from which I've lifted stuff from the last paragraph) I'm not saying that all fat people have some epigenetic changes leading to their obesity, but is it hard to believe that some obese people may have had excess stress in their lives, were exposed to certain toxins (there's some research about a certain chemical in plastic bottles having an epigenetic effect on obesity so it's not like exposure to something uncommon), had grand relatives who were obese and passed along their expression of certain genes, had mothers with weight issues, are using certain prescription drugs that affect apidogenesis, have hormonal inbalances, or have diagnosed conditions like metabolic syndrome that makes them have extreme difficulty losing weight even when they cut calories? [B]tl;dr[/B] Assuming everyone has the same body and assuming our body's nutrition is as simple as "calories in calories out" when our entire body is incredibly complex is downplaying the difficulty some people have losing weight.[/QUOTE] Except for the most part that is still calories in-calories out, the largest factor is that people more prone to obesity have such hormone imbalances or just bad habits causing them to feel hungrier and thus eat more. All of those factors explain why sections of the population and people who pay no attention to their weight are more prone to getting fat, but for individuals with the knowledge of how to overcome those issues it is far from insurmountable to lose weight. It may be more difficult and they may have a tendency to overeat, but there are a million ways to help that and building good habits makes it even easier. No matter the situation, giving in to futility and saying there's nothing you can do about it or that it's too hard is just another excuse.
people mistake scientists for dentists never tell the truth about how little you floss or give a shit to a dentist they'll make your visit that much more miserable
shock horror fat people don't violate the rules of physics and are instead, just lying about the amount they eat
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;47213397]So you started eating more of other foods then, or already were. "welp I cut soda but im not losing weight" "opens a bag of chips". What do you expect?[/QUOTE] Nice accusation, but no, I didn't. The only change in my diet was drinking just water instead of soda. This actually happened during a period where I was slowly eating less and drinking less. I eat maybe half as much as I used to (my eating habits were horrible, but damn it felt good) and lost a tiny amount of weight as a result. Although I admit I'm slightly disappointed I can't eat 4 plates at an all-you-can-eat anymore, I feel like I get less out of my money than I used to :v:
[QUOTE=Rakmon;47213676]Fat people are disgusting and muh genetics is bullshit. The 'your brain literally tells you you're still starving no matter how much you eat' thing is an actual thing, tho[/QUOTE] christ could everyone just reel it in when it comes to being assholes to fat people already
[QUOTE=Levithan;47221831]christ could everyone just reel it in when it comes to being assholes to fat people already[/QUOTE] But making fun of fat people is universally acceptable. And if they don't like it they should just stop being fat already. rite
[QUOTE=SleepyAl;47215002][B]tl;dr[/B] Assuming everyone has the same body and assuming our body's nutrition is as simple as "calories in calories out" when our entire body is incredibly complex is downplaying the difficulty some people have losing weight.[/QUOTE] Someone else already replied but whatever. It really is as simple as calories in vs calories out. Seriously, read everything you bolded in that paper. None of them points to genetics as the direct cause of obesity. "If an individual is programmed in this way owing to an abnormal shortage of food (such as famine) or exposure to a chemical that mimics the famine programming, signals continue in a time of abundant food supply, and the mismatch could lead to obesity" (read: eating like a fatty when there's no need to makes you fat. Go figure). If you eat at below TDEE, regardless of your hormones or genetics or conditions, you WILL lose weight. If you can somehow gain weight after that, congrats you just broke the 1st law of Thermo. Go talk to some scientists and collect your reward.
Nearly everything you need to know about the increase in obesity can be summed up in one statistic. USA Daily dietary energy consumption per capita: 3,770 kilocalories This is more than double the minimum recommended by the UN
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