Transgender 10-Year-Old, Jackie, Born A Boy, Happier As A Girl - Polidicks

He's still a guy, no one can truly be changed to another gender. Just my pet peeve, since they are still biologically their original gender. And this person might regret it later. 10 is way to early for this.

[QUOTE=catbarf;32049632]Liking pink, ballerina outfits, sparkles, and pretty shoes aren't genetic traits, they're cultural. What kids like is determined by what they're raised on. Raise a boy to play with dolls and a girl to play with guns, and you'll end up with kids with non-traditional interests. That they give those things as reasons why this kid is [i]obviously[/i] transgendered is a little bit alarming.[/QUOTE] So you're saying this kid was raised into transgenderism?

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32049465]That's bullshit. Nobody is born in the wrong body. Transgenderism is a neural defect, and shouldn't be addressed radically by surgery or medical therapy until emotional and mental maturity is reached. Somebody suffering at 10 may come to terms with it by 20. If an operation is done before that point, then a lot of money and time could have been wasted and a lot of pain and suffering could have been avoided for patient and family. However, if, by the time of psychological maturity, the boy or girl is set on choosing the operation, then go for it. It's therapeutic and if it helps them be happy in life, there should be no law against it. That's why I'm a little disturbed by this.[/QUOTE] She didn't have the operation yet, this is just the starting out phase where you take hormones and dress differently. As you've just said, psych evaluation and what not has to be done before an actual operation.

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Liking certain colours and liking doing certain things is nothing to do with his gender identity. We only think pink is a girl colour because our culture tells us it is, for all we know, he just finds it aesthetically pleasing, theres nothing 'girly' about it. Telling him he's a girl because he finds certain colours and clothing aesthetically pleasing is absolutely retarded, and is going to fuck this kid, who is probably perfectly fine with being a guy, its just his parents go 'you like pink and dolls? YOU MUST BE A GIRL INSIDE'

[QUOTE=The Baconator;32049633]He's still a guy, no one can truly be changed to another gender. Just my pet peeve, since they are still biologically their original gender. And this person might regret it later. 10 is way to early for this.[/QUOTE] Okay, for one: Continuing to refer to them as their original gender is incredibly disrespectful. For two: she hasn't gotten an operation yet, read the article. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Wam;32049690]Liking certain colours and liking doing certain things is nothing to do with his gender identity. We only think pink is a girl colour because our culture tells us it is, for all we know, he just finds it aesthetically pleasing, theres nothing 'girly' about it.[/QUOTE] Gender identity disorder is more complex than "liking 'girl' things".

A ten year old? That's a little soon for a psychological problem to be fully looked at for the boy in the OP.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32049589]It's not a defect, it's a condition. And getting surgery done before or during early to mid puberty yields much better results.[/QUOTE] But it [B]is[/B] a defect, in the same way that depression or OCD is a defect. It's a neurological defect that causes a psychological condition. It doesn't seem right to subject a 10 year old to hormone therapy and radical sex change surgeries, that are both costly and immensely exhausting- taking possibly years to fully complete. What should be done, is counseling. There are psychologists trained, specifically, in treating transgender or gender-concerned individuals. That should be done, treatment to help the person along. Sex change operations should be the last resort, not the first. If somebody is uncomfortable with their body, they should be helped to come to terms with that before they go off doing something very, very invasive. However, if, in the end, it winds up that they just can't help them and a surgery is all that remains, than so be it. If they are willing and it can be done safely, then there's no reason it shouldn't be done...but only after every contingency is exhausted.

At age 10 I had to make a decision between Pokemon Red or Pokemon Blue. Not whether I wanted to keep my penis or not.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32049710]A ten year old? That's a little soon for a psychological problem to be fully looked at for the boy in the OP.[/QUOTE] If it's how she feels, it's worth looking into and taking seriously. Dismissing it as "not a real problem" isn't going to do anyone any good.

[QUOTE=Wam;32049690]Liking certain colours and liking doing certain things is nothing to do with his gender identity. We only think pink is a girl colour because our culture tells us it is, for all we know, he just finds it aesthetically pleasing, theres nothing 'girly' about it.[/QUOTE] Even as a child I understood pink and dresses were considered 'girl' things, so to know this and still want to dress up like that could be a sign. Not to mention he was actually asked if he wanted to be a girl and answered yes.

[QUOTE=lead_farmer;32049715]At age 10 I had to make a decision between Pokemon Red or Pokemon Blue. Not whether I wanted to keep my penis or not.[/QUOTE] Are you all incapable of reading? There was no operation done yet.

I think this is a bit soon, when I was 10 I wanted to be one of those ~SUPER C00L~ people you see on TV and the ANIMES, and I listened to a bunch of music that today would probably make me vomit. 7 Years later I'm totally comfortable with myself and my likes and dislikes. It might be different with sexual identity though. But looking back now, I can hardly believe I was into that sorta stuff.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32049729]Are you all incapable of reading? There was no operation done yet.[/QUOTE] I did and I made no indication that I thought that an operation had taken place.

[QUOTE=RaxaHax;32049737]7 Years later I'm totally comfortable with myself and my likes and dislikes. It might be different with sexual identity though.[/QUOTE] You probably should have thought this prior to posting the first part. Sexual identity is immensely different than your preferences. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=lead_farmer;32049756]I did and I made no indication that I thought that an operation had taken place.[/QUOTE] "Make decisions about keeping my penis" sounds a little like an operation to me.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32049728]Even as a child I understood pink and dresses were considered 'girl' things, so to know this and still want to dress up like that could be a sign. [B]Not to mention he was actually asked if he wanted to be a girl and answered yes.[/B][/QUOTE] About as reliable as asking any 10-year old a major, far-reaching decision. Besides, it feels like this is a lot more nurture then nature, doesn't it raise any alarms with you guys when the mother started looking into transgenderism and identity issues when Jackie was only 18-weeks old? It's like interpreting a cough as cancer and then treating it as such.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32049711]But it [B]is[/B] a defect, in the same way that depression or OCD is a defect. It's a neurological defect that causes a psychological condition. It doesn't seem right to subject a 10 year old to hormone therapy and radical sex change surgeries, that are both costly and immensely exhausting- taking possibly years to fully complete. What should be done, is counseling. There are psychologists trained, specifically, in treating transgender or gender-concerned individuals. That should be done, treatment to help the person along. Sex change operations should be the last resort, not the first. If somebody is uncomfortable with their body, they should be helped to come to terms with that before they go off doing something very, very invasive. However, if, in the end, it winds up that they just can't help them and a surgery is all that remains, than so be it. If they are willing and it can be done safely, then there's no reason it shouldn't be done...but only after every contingency is exhausted.[/QUOTE] If it is a neurological defect, you can't cure them of that. Why would you try to dissuade them or try to 'treat' them? It's like counseling a homosexual to decide to be a heterosexual. Let them do it if they want.

I'm not saying that its wrong to have a Gender surgery, but HES FUCKING 10.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32049725]If it's how she feels, it's worth looking into and taking seriously. Dismissing it as "not a real problem" isn't going to do anyone any good.[/QUOTE] I didn't say it wasn't a real problem, stop putting words into my mouth. I was simply saying that he is being a little hasty and should wait longer and be fully looked at in order to conclude how the problem is best treated.

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;32049490]How would she even UNDERSTAND being transsexual at age 2 anyway?[/QUOTE] It's not surprising to see hints at very young ages in these cases. I knew that there was something wrong with me at around age 5; I just liked playing with girls and hated being forced to get involved in more boyish things (sports etc) since pre-school. Eventually it just ticked over in my head that I would rather be a girl than a boy, and that just mounted up and mounted up until very recently when I finally decided that I needed to do something about it. I guess my point is, at that age you might not understand transsexualism, or even the concept of gender at all that young but you can often see signs from very early on, and I wouldn't be surprised if you could trace them all

[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;32049774]About as reliable as asking any 10-year old a major, far-reaching decision. Besides, it feels like this is a lot more nurture then nature, doesn't it say anything about the way the mother raised her kid when she started looking into transgenderism when Jackie was only 18-weeks old?[/QUOTE] That's irrelevant, this isn't some life-changing decision. This child wants to wear dresses and likes pink things, which is socially unacceptable for a small boy. The only other way to determine at this early age if they legitimately have gender identity disorder is to sit down and talk about it, and do some psychological evaluation.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32049777]If it is a neurological defect, you can't cure them of that. Why would you try to dissuade them or try to 'treat' them? It's like counseling a homosexual to decide to be a heterosexual. Let them do it if they want.[/QUOTE] Still should've waited until he hit puberty, which would've all but set in stone his sexual/gender orientation. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32049822]That's irrelevant, this isn't some life-changing decision. This child wants to wear dresses and likes pink things, which is socially unacceptable for a small boy. The only other way to determine at this early age if they legitimately have gender identity disorder is to sit down and talk about it, and do some psychological evaluation.[/QUOTE] Kid starts wearing dresses and likes pink things at 10? Better change his gender.

It's good that the kid's happy.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32049799]I didn't say it wasn't a real problem, stop putting words into my mouth. I was simply saying that he is being a little hasty and should wait longer and be fully looked at in order to conclude how the problem is best treated.[/QUOTE] There isn't any "treatment" even going on, they're just letting her dress like she feels and be addressed as a girl.

[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;32049774]About as reliable as asking any 10-year old a major, far-reaching decision. Besides, it feels like this is a lot more nurture then nature, doesn't it raise any alarms with you guys when the mother started looking into transgenderism and identity issues when Jackie was only 18-weeks old? It's like interpreting a cough as cancer and then treating it as such.[/QUOTE] Two years old*, and what are you suggesting? That her mother raised her as a girl? That doesn't alarm me at all, if anything that's responsible parenting to try and find signs of psychological conditions at an early age.

Personally, I'd wait until the child has reached adult maturity and allowing them to go through with the surgery if they so choose at that time. But whatever , I don't see anything wrong with this either and it's not my money. The kid will get the surgery, get the hormone therapy, and will grow up a girl. Good for them.

[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;32049824]Kid starts wearing dresses and likes pink things at 10? Better change his gender.[/QUOTE] Wow that's a pretty big strawman you got there. No, I'm saying if the kid does those things and identifies as a girl, it's worth looking into with psychological evaluation, and hormone treatments later on. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CQRPSE;32049852]Personally, I'd wait until the child has reached adult maturity and allowing them to go through with the surgery if they so choose at that time.[/QUOTE] Well then I guess it's good that no surgery's been done, eh?

[QUOTE=catbarf;32049632]Liking pink, ballerina outfits, sparkles, and pretty shoes aren't genetic traits, they're cultural. What kids like is determined by what they're raised on. Raise a boy to play with dolls and a girl to play with guns, and you'll end up with kids with non-traditional interests. That they give those things as reasons why this kid is [i]obviously[/i] transgendered is a little bit alarming.[/QUOTE] Being Bisexual/Gay/Transsexual is NOT a choice or cultural, There are examples of skeletons presumed to be homosexual from prehistoric times, And there are even cases of homosexuality in ancient rome. I'd love to see your logic of that. I was raised in a normal all-straight(But open) household and am myself bisexual, Is that caused by my culture you buffoon?

[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;32049824]Still should've waited until he hit puberty, which would've all but set in stone his sexual/gender orientation. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] Kid starts wearing dresses and likes pink things at 10? Better change his gender.[/QUOTE] They don't just say "hey you like girly things okay we'll turn you into a girl." It involves years of hormone therapy, psychological therapy, living life as the opposite sex pre-op, and then finally culminating in an operation. You're woefully ignorant.

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