Transgender 10-Year-Old, Jackie, Born A Boy, Happier As A Girl - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CQRPSE;32050172]You're advocating for something the articles doesn't say is happening one way or the other.[/QUOTE] Yeah, well, I saw people talking about it earlier in the thread and couldn't resist a good argument.

Hah, people thinking they know what they're talking about. Nobody knows exactly, "How", and or "What" causes GID. People theorize abnormalities, or hormone imbalances during fetal and childhood development. Most people tend to think there is something wrong with their gender when they reach adolescence. People actually feel discomfort with they're gender, but statistics show that its more around the age of 13-(Ranges). Its not extremely rare that people at the age of 5-8 start showing symptoms. But its EXTREMELY rare for it to start happening around the ages 9-12.

[QUOTE=apurplerock;32050101]A transgender is a person who is born in a male or female body, but their personality does not match up with their body So a person can have a female gender (non-tangible) and a male body (tangible) [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] yeah because someone is totally incapable of making a rational decision at the age of ten :downs:[/QUOTE] Go from 10-16, which is more rational?

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32050192]It all depends on the surgeon's skill, the region it's being done in and what exactly is being done. A full blown heart transplant or excising a tumor from a brain is complex in it's own right, but the sheer plastic surgery skill required for such a cosmetic procedure is almost as serious. Whereas in those emergency/medical surgeries, one works only for it to function optimally, a cosmetic surgery is meant to look real. The goal of a gender change surgery is to make it look like the person was born the gender they wanted to be born in. So you have to balance biology and physiology with cosmetics, as simply giving them hormones and replicating being a woman won't satisfy a male who wants a change, and visa versa.[/QUOTE] There isn't a surgery to make a vagina and a surgery to actually make it look like a vagina. It's all done in one operation. It's also not this super long procedure that involves tons and tons of skin crafting to make a realistic vagina.

[QUOTE=Nikota;32050174]Theres several surgeries along with hormone treatment and just a big list of things.[/QUOTE] Organ transplants require regular checkups, Medication [I]for the rest of your life.[/I] How is a one-time albeit long-term surgery more invasive?

lifes too hard better get a dick

[QUOTE=Corporal Yippie;32050300]lifes too hard better get a dick[/QUOTE] Dohohoho

[QUOTE=Zambies!;32050280]Go from 10-16, which is more rational?[/QUOTE] That's entirely subjective on who the 10 and 16 year old in question is, being older does not necessarily constitute being more rational.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32049711]But it [B]is[/B] a defect, in the same way that depression or OCD is a defect. It's a neurological defect that causes a psychological condition. It doesn't seem right to subject a 10 year old to hormone therapy and radical sex change surgeries, that are both costly and immensely exhausting- taking possibly years to fully complete. What should be done, is counseling. There are psychologists trained, specifically, in treating transgender or gender-concerned individuals. That should be done, treatment to help the person along. Sex change operations should be the last resort, not the first. If somebody is uncomfortable with their body, they should be helped to come to terms with that before they go off doing something very, very invasive. However, if, in the end, it winds up that they just can't help them and a surgery is all that remains, than so be it. If they are willing and it can be done safely, then there's no reason it shouldn't be done...but only after every contingency is exhausted.[/QUOTE] If they're 18 they have every right to choose what to do to their body and you don't have the right to say otherwise.

[QUOTE=CQRPSE;32050296]There isn't a surgery to make a vagina and a surgery to actually make it look like a vagina. It's all done in one operation. It's also not this super long procedure that involves tons and tons of skin crafting to make a realistic vagina.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I know, I wasn't saying there were different ones. And that may be so, but it does require a large degree of skill to make it look convincing and functional. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rubs10;32050320]If they're 18 they have every right to choose what to do to their body and you don't have the right to say otherwise.[/QUOTE] I've been saying that, I said if they're 10 it's a different story, but if they're at the legal age, let them do it...

[QUOTE=Metanar;32050264]I don't fully understand it myself, but it's a broad term for people who identify as a mix of the two genders, genderless or some kind of third gender.[/QUOTE] I see. Well wouldn't a mix of two genders be androgynous? And I've never heard of androgyny applied to gender before. I've never done any research into genders though... I always figured for men who behaved more like women were effeminate and women who behaved more like men were masculine. I had no idea there were a bunch of terms for all this.

why was the grandpa in denial? let the kid be what he wants to be

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32050317]That's entirely subjective on who the 10 and 16 year old in question is, being older does not necessarily constitute being more rational.[/QUOTE] I don't know how to phrase it words.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32050341]Yeah, I know, I wasn't saying there were different ones. And that may be so, but it does require a large degree of skill to make it look convincing and functional. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] I've been saying that, I said if they're 10 it's a different story, but if they're at the legal age, let them do it...[/QUOTE] Anything that is remotely close to surgery is fairly difficult. Example, knee replacements. Anything around the femoral area is difficult.

[QUOTE=CQRPSE;32050355]I see. Well wouldn't a mix of two genders be androgynous? And I've never heard of androgyny applied to gender before. I've never done any research into genders though... I always figured for men who behaved more like women were effeminate and women who behaved more like men were masculine. I had no idea there were a bunch of terms for all this.[/QUOTE] Isn't androgyny gender neutral? At least, that's the closest analogue I could think of.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32050341]Yeah, I know, I wasn't saying there were different ones. And that may be so, but it does require a large degree of skill to make it look convincing and functional. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] I've been saying that, I said if they're 10 it's a different story, but if they're at the legal age, let them do it...[/QUOTE] Well if they weren't skilled they wouldn't have the degree. Nowadays it often takes a professional to be able to tell a real vagina from a post-op one at just a glance.

[QUOTE=Region;32050362]why was the grandpa in denial? let the kid be what he wants to be[/QUOTE] Most of the human race has trouble with dealing with this topic. Stuff like this is part of the massive social changes of the 21st century, and everybody's just going to have to get used to it. There's no reason to make it go away. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;32050377]Well if they weren't skilled they wouldn't have the degree. Nowadays it often takes a professional to be able to tell a real vagina from a post-op one at just a glance.[/QUOTE] I'm not contesting that, I'm just saying it takes quite a bit of skill and is fairly complex.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32050341]Yeah, I know, I wasn't saying there were different ones. And that may be so, but it does require a large degree of skill to make it look convincing and functional. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] I've been saying that, I said if they're 10 it's a different story, but if they're at the legal age, let them do it...[/QUOTE] Functional in what sense? The ability to piss? What's done is the penis is amputated and tuned inside out. That's stuffed back into the groin and sewn back up with the urethra and that's pretty much it. Yes, it's a gross oversimplification of the process and I'm not saying it's something any asshole can do, but it's not this strange and overly difficult thing to do either. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Arachnidus;32050376]Isn't androgyny gender neutral? At least, that's the closest analogue I could think of.[/QUOTE] Fuck if I know. Like I said, I've only ever experienced it applied physical appearance, wherein someone could pass as both male and female.

personally I think if you were born a male, you should stay male, and vice versa. But you know who am I to tell people what they do with they're lives, as long as they're happy they can do what they want to their body, even if it is...uh..odd.

[QUOTE=CQRPSE;32050211]I'll be honest, I don't know anything about hormone therapy. Is it a pill you take? Shots you get? I dunno. But I have seen a male-to-female sex change operation performed in full. Compared to other procedures that are probably much more typical than a sex change, it's not that complex.[/QUOTE] There are many procedures one can undergo. ON National Geographic Channel's Taboo program earlier, a male-to-femals transsexual went to Thailand to have his face opened up and parts of the skull chipped away, to attain a less masculine face. Of course, not everyone must undergo every therapy.

[QUOTE]Jackie's sister, Sagan[/QUOTE] :smile:

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32050466]There are many procedures one can undergo. ON National Geographic Channel's Taboo program earlier, a male-to-femals transsexual went to Thailand to have his face opened up and parts of the skull chipped away, to attain a less masculine face. Of course, not everyone must undergo every therapy.[/QUOTE] Well yeah, for shit like that, I'm sure there's all sorts of surgeries that can be done. I was referring more to the 'essential' genital surgery.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;32050280]Go from 10-16, which is more rational?[/QUOTE] Age=/=rational thinking

[QUOTE=DemonDog;32049462]Obligatory [img]http://img.karaoke-lyrics.net/img/artists/28413/kim-petras-40283.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] That's a girl, right? Right?!

[QUOTE=DemonDog;32049462]Obligatory [img]http://img.karaoke-lyrics.net/img/artists/28413/kim-petras-40283.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Should I be worried for finding her/him hot?

[QUOTE=CQRPSE;32050416]Functional in what sense? The ability to piss? What's done is the penis is amputated and tuned inside out. That's stuffed back into the groin and sewn back up with the urethra and that's pretty much it. Yes, it's a gross oversimplification of the process and I'm not saying it's something any asshole can do, but it's not this strange and overly difficult thing to do either. [/QUOTE] Well, there is the bit of making the nerves stay functional...

Look's like s[I]he[/I] will have to deal with it. [sub][sub]Thats the joke[/sub][/sub]

[QUOTE=RoflKawpter;32050524]That's a girl, right? Right?![/QUOTE] does it matter? traps are still hot

[QUOTE=apurplerock;32050551]does it matter? traps are still hot[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, if any girl told me she hasn't been a girl from day one of her life, I would NOT be able to have any relationship with her.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32049465]That's bullshit. Nobody is born in the wrong body. Transgenderism is a neural defect, and shouldn't be addressed radically by surgery or medical therapy until emotional and mental maturity is reached. Somebody suffering at 10 may come to terms with it by 20. If an operation is done before that point, then a lot of money and time could have been wasted and a lot of pain and suffering could have been avoided for patient and family. However, if, by the time of psychological maturity, the boy or girl is set on choosing the operation, then go for it. It's therapeutic and if it helps them be happy in life, there should be no law against it. That's why I'm a little disturbed by this.[/QUOTE] I agree. I'm a M-to-F transgendered person, I don't intend on getting an operation later on, because to be honest I'm fine with the way I am. I just want to be viewed as a girl and that'll make me happy for the rest of my life. And I think it's a little odd making a decision like this at the age of 10. Has she even gone through puberty yet? These decisions should really be made much later on.