Transgender 10-Year-Old, Jackie, Born A Boy, Happier As A Girl - Polidicks

Why can't you guys just use peoples' preferred gender pronouns? It's not hard.

[QUOTE=Metanar;32050608]Why can't you guys just use peoples' preferred gender pronouns? It's not hard.[/QUOTE] Its also polite :eng101:

[QUOTE=Metanar;32050608]Why can't you guys just use peoples' preferred gender pronouns? It's not hard.[/QUOTE] "no fuck you i'm gonna call you something else just to bother you"

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32050589]I'm sorry, if any girl told me she hasn't been a girl from day one of her life, I would NOT be able to have any relationship with her.[/QUOTE] If there's nothing else wrong with her, why not?

Why does everyone in this forum underestimate the intelligence and level of growth a 10 year old is in?

Liking pink and that shit might not be intrinsically girly, but he might think it's girly and, identifying himself as a girl, follows the desired cultural behavior.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32050526]Well, there is the bit of making the nerves stay functional...[/QUOTE] What do you mean? Of course they stay functional, otherwise it would rot away. Pleasure? Sexual pleasure? That's why they turn the penis inside out and create the vagina out of that.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32050679]Liking pink and that shit might not be intrinsically girly, but he might think it's girly and, identifying himself as a girl, follows the desired cultural behavior.[/QUOTE] that's why transgender is different from transsexual

[QUOTE=Judas;32049370]Transgender ops shouldnt be legal until age 18.[/QUOTE] This, 100%. Gender roles are socially based anyway, is it really necessary to change your sex to suit that, when you're young anyway? All kids play dress-ups, and play with dolls and do what the other gender does anyway, until they learn that they're not supposed to.

[QUOTE=Clementine;32050665]Why does everyone in this forum underestimate the intelligence and level of growth a 10 year old is in?[/QUOTE] Because an average 10-year-old is very susceptible to herd mentality and has had their thoughts molded pretty harshly by it. That doesn't have to do with it, it's just an example, or an indicator of how non-independent and frail la young mind is. Fuck, I'll even throw Bieber out.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32050702]that's why transgender is different from transsexual[/QUOTE] Wait a second, is the girl taking hormones, or is it surgical? Or just identifying as a girl? Because if it's the latter, then that presents no issues at all.

[QUOTE=CQRPSE;32050698]What do you mean? Of course they stay functional, otherwise it would rot away. Pleasure? Sexual pleasure? That's why they turn the penis inside out and create the vagina out of that.[/QUOTE] And the tact required to do such a thing without doing unintended damage to the surrounding tissue is pretty substantial. Why are we even arguing over this, I think we can both agree it's a fairly complex procedure that can be readily done by a qualified practitioner.

[QUOTE=Contag;32050736]Wait a second, is the girl taking hormones, or is it surgical? Or just identifying as a girl? Because if it's the latter, then that presents no issues at all.[/QUOTE] uhm the kid in the story is just someone who sees themselves as a girl so i don't know where you are getting hormones or surgical from

And don't fool yourselves, the sexes are different from each other. Evolutionary biology has plenty of reasons as to why men like sports and violence more than women or why women like socializing more than men. Same for the differences in promiscuity.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32050745]And the tact required to do such a thing without doing unintended damage to the surrounding tissue is pretty substantial. Why are we even arguing over this, I think we can both agree it's a fairly complex procedure that can be readily done by a qualified practitioner.[/QUOTE] Deal. And for everyone's knowledge. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1vKT4JEcDc[/url] Actually I'll just leave that as a link. Male to Female sex change surgery summed up in 8 minutes.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32050775]Evolutionary biology has plenty of reasons as to why men like sports and violence more than women or why women like socializing more than men. Same for the differences in promiscuity.[/QUOTE] evolutionary biology doesn't give those reasons at all you're talking about sexual dimorphism which has little to do with such behaviors.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32049465]That's bullshit. Nobody is born in the wrong body. Transgenderism is a neural defect, and shouldn't be addressed radically by surgery or medical therapy until emotional and mental maturity is reached. Somebody suffering at 10 may come to terms with it by 20. If an operation is done before that point, then a lot of money and time could have been wasted and a lot of pain and suffering could have been avoided for patient and family. However, if, by the time of psychological maturity, the boy or girl is set on choosing the operation, then go for it. It's therapeutic and if it helps them be happy in life, there should be no law against it. That's why I'm a little disturbed by this.[/QUOTE] Looks like I'm a little late to the party since this is a few pages away, but I like coming on Facepunch and seeing some quality posts now and again. So, thanks for posting, this one was a good read.

[QUOTE=CQRPSE;32050816]Deal. And for everyone's knowledge. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1vKT4JEcDc[/url] Actually I'll just leave that as a link. Male to Female sex change surgery summed up in 8 minutes.[/QUOTE] :byodood:

[QUOTE=thisispain;32050773]uhm the kid in the story is just someone who sees themselves as a girl so i don't know where you are getting hormones or surgical from[/QUOTE] Oh no shit? Every is acting like she's undergoing surgery.

[QUOTE=faze;32049393]Some people are born in the wrong body I guess. Sex has nothing to do with it. You like what you like.[/QUOTE] I feel like you can't actually be born in the wrong body, and it's just a mental disorder.

[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;32050862]I feel like you can't actually be born in the wrong body, and it's just a mental disorder.[/QUOTE] You can definitely have a different gender to your sex. Ever met a feminine man, or a masculine woman? Sex is binary, whereas gender is a whole spectrum. The girl identifies with femininity, as opposed to masculinity. That is all. [editline]1st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32050775]And don't fool yourselves, the sexes are different from each other. [B]Evolutionary biology[/B] has plenty of reasons as to why men like sports and violence more than women or why women like socializing more than men. Same for the differences in promiscuity.[/QUOTE] oh god

[QUOTE=CQRPSE;32050816]Deal. And for everyone's knowledge. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1vKT4JEcDc[/url] Actually I'll just leave that as a link. Male to Female sex change surgery summed up in 8 minutes.[/QUOTE] Sheesh. Word of warning, that link makes a hammer to the penis look like childs' play.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32050773]uhm the kid in the story is just someone who sees themselves as a girl so i don't know where you are getting hormones or surgical from[/QUOTE] Oh. Woops. Thanks for clearing that up.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32050836]evolutionary biology doesn't give those reasons at all you're talking about sexual dimorphism which has little to do with such behaviors.[/QUOTE] Men who like violence are more likely to fend off attackers or competitors for females. They breed more, more men like violence. Women who like socializing get to form groups to defend themselves and to cooperate in tasks. Etc. etc.

[QUOTE=Contag;32050853] Every is acting like she's undergoing surgery.[/QUOTE] well they're illiterate then.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32050910]Men who like violence are more likely to fend off attackers or competitors for females. They breed more, more men like violence. Women who like socializing get to form groups to defend themselves and to cooperate in tasks. Etc. etc.[/QUOTE] Hereeeee you go [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_evolutionary_psychology[/url]

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;32049490]How would she even UNDERSTAND being transsexual at age 2 anyway?[/QUOTE] You'd be surprised what a child can understand at a young age when it relates to themselves. Some transsexual children who aren't taken seriously at a young age kill themselves, even.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32050910]Men who like violence are more likely to fend off attackers or competitors for females. They breed more, more men like violence. Women who like socializing get to form groups to defend themselves and to cooperate in tasks. Etc. etc.[/QUOTE] this has little to do with evolutionary biology considering society is hardly set up to even allow such conditions right down to hunter-gatherer societies. most of the differences in sex come from the difference in sex organs.

Mrenh, I'm not so sure about letting a kid that age make that kind of decision, but if it turns out that this was the right move and they're happy with their body when they grow up, then fuckin', whatever.

[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;32050862]I feel like you can't actually be born in the wrong body, and it's just a mental disorder.[/QUOTE] You cant be "born in the wrong body", but your gender can conflict your sex in a way it [i]is[/i] a mental disorder, and in a way it [I]isnt[/I]