Transgender 10-Year-Old, Jackie, Born A Boy, Happier As A Girl - Polidicks

[QUOTE=thisispain;32050997]this has little to do with evolutionary biology considering society is hardly set up to even allow such conditions right down to hunter-gatherer societies. most of the differences in sex come from the difference in sex organs [B]and culture[/B].[/QUOTE] Fixed that there, I'm sure you'll agree?

[QUOTE=Contag;32051014]Fixed that there, I'm sure you'll agree?[/QUOTE] well know what i meant is that any difference in biology would come from sex organs and nowhere else. for instance there's nothing to support women like socializing more in a biological context.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32050997]this has little to do with evolutionary biology considering society is hardly set up to even allow such conditions right down to hunter-gatherer societies. most of the differences in sex come from the difference in sex organs.[/QUOTE] What do you mean? Culture only comes from humans, using genetics-induced behavior and culturally-neutral (since there's no culture) experiences.

Ahahaha that is so fucked up Not laughing at the OP, laughing at the people supporting this.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;32049465]That's bullshit. Nobody is born in the wrong body. Transgenderism is a neural defect, and shouldn't be addressed radically by surgery or medical therapy until emotional and mental maturity is reached.[/QUOTE] are u sure ure qualified to say this? [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;32050862]I feel like you can't actually be born in the wrong body, and it's just a mental disorder.[/QUOTE] cool. i feel like you're wrong

Well, how about culturally-induced genetic-traits? Men would gain violent behavior from what I said before, but violent women would end up subdued by men, since men are naturally stronger, so a docile behavior would proliferate.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32051054]What do you mean? Culture only comes from humans, using genetics-induced behavior and culturally-neutral (since there's no culture) experiences.[/QUOTE] i mean what you are talking about is myth and absolutely untrue. males in a human context have never fought to choose a mate. evolution-wise humans have actually gained advantages from being extremely diverse in the population so it's not even advantageous to do so. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32051098]Men would gain violent behavior from what I said before, but violent women would end up subdued by men, since men are naturally stronger, so a docile behavior would proliferate.[/QUOTE] this is not a realistic situation and completely impossible to prove.

This was just on TV on ABC 7.

I hate this. You aren't born in the wrong body if you have feminine interests. If you like girl things and you're a boy, changing genders only enforces gender stereotypes society has made the norm.

It's deeper than just having 'feminine interests'.

Last time I got into this discussion, people didn't even want to admit men were naturally stronger than women.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32051116]i mean what you are talking about is myth and absolutely untrue. males in a human context have never fought to choose a mate. evolution-wise humans have actually gained advantages from being extremely diverse in the population so it's not even advantageous to do so. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] this is not a realistic situation and completely impossible to prove.[/QUOTE] Hmm? I see people fighting for a woman this very day. :v: And I never said diversity was bad, I said some diversity was bad. If one guy excels at hunting and the other at making houses, the "race" wouldn't evolve to extinguish any of their traits, as, fi they did, the "race" would die out, and it hasn't. [editline]1st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;32051116]i mean what you are talking about is myth and absolutely untrue. males in a human context have never fought to choose a mate. evolution-wise humans have actually gained advantages from being extremely diverse in the population so it's not even advantageous to do so. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] this is not a realistic situation and completely impossible to prove.[/QUOTE] Unrealistic? How is it unrealsitic? Violent women would lash out and fight men to defend themselves fro mrape or to try and grab more food, the naturally stronger males would wound or kill her, causing her to procreate less.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32051289]Hmm? I see people fighting for a woman this very day. :v:[/QUOTE] but not really related to evolutionary biology. [QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32051289]And I never said diversity was bad, I said some diversity was bad. If one guy excels at hunting and the other at making houses, the "race" wouldn't evolve to extinguish any of their traits, as, fi they did, the "race" would die out, and it hasn't.[/QUOTE] i'm confused, hunting and making houses aren't genetic traits.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32051319]i'm confused, hunting and making houses aren't genetic traits.[/QUOTE] Not every genetic trait has to have a [i]physical[/i] form of expression.

What the fuck, at 10 years old I was more worried about my hiding my candy and beating up my little sister. Was kidding about the beating up part, but how the fuck does a kid know at the age of 10 what they want to be?

[QUOTE=MR-X;32051372]beating up my little sister.[/QUOTE] ;_;

Yeah, it is, the more you fight males off, the more women you breed with and you lower the chances of someone else breeding with the female you impregnated, possibly "stealing" your kill. No, no, the ability to correctly do that. I guess you think abilities and dexterity and shit aren't connected to genetics? Well, I strongly disagree with that. Smart people give birth to smart people (generally, there's still experiences and the randomness associated with breeding and growth to deal with), strong people give birth to strong people. The brain commands our every decision, the brain is a part of the body, the body is created by the genes. I see no reason as to why genetics can't have a (huge) part in our behavior

[QUOTE=Test Card F;32049872]Is that caused by my culture you buffoon?[/QUOTE] Notice how not once did I mention the kid's self-identity, but rather the fact that the mother is basing her diagnosis, in part, on the fact that the kid likes 'girl' things. This is the very same post where I pointed out that there's nothing intrinsically feminine about the color pink or certain shoes, and that identification with such is [i]not[/i] an indication of gender issues. Boys will happily play with 'girl' toys if raised with them. Girls will happily play with 'boy' toys if raised with them. Either may choose to play with 'nontypical' toys for whatever reason, even if not raised to favor them, such as girls liking toy cars or boys liking dolls. They're just things, and predisposition towards one or the other is definitely not exclusively gender-driven. Perhaps if you read for comprehension, you might be able to respond to my actual point instead of putting words in my mouth and coming across as overly defensive and needlessly abrasive.

[QUOTE=Test Card F;32049872]Being Bisexual/Gay/Transsexual is NOT a choice or cultural, There are examples of skeletons presumed to be homosexual from prehistoric times, And there are even cases of homosexuality in ancient rome. I'd love to see your logic of that. I was raised in a normal all-straight(But open) household and am myself bisexual, Is that caused by my culture you buffoon?[/QUOTE] So, were all Spartans homosexual? [editline]1st September 2011[/editline] Same for the Romans (or where those the Greek? I think those were the Greek.)

This is a genetic thing, you always will have a certain gender identity after a certain amount of time. A boy who was burned when young and had a sex change as a result of losing his penis will still feel like they're actually a boy, not a girl. These things are deeply ingrained in the brain. Very deeply ingrained. Short of questionable electroshock therapy, I don't know if anything can change it.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32051465]So, were all Spartans homosexual?[/QUOTE] Contrary to popular belief, Spartan culture frowned on homosexuality- the optimal warrior was seen as one freed from emotion, fighting with no cause for fear or hatred. It's not really relevant to this thread at all (dunno why he brought it up), but it's interesting to know.

It was Greece, yeah. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece[/url] My point is, if homosexuality is strictly genetic, then the percentage of homosexual men would be similar throughout history. 2000 years isn't that much, certainly not enough to justify Greece's homosexuality with genetics alone.

Welp, good luck with insurance. You ain't gonna be getting any because insurance companies are dicks.

how would you determine if one were gender queer or gender fluid they have terms for looking at your body and thinking "well that might be right, wait it is right, wait no" and "this is kinda right but not all the way?"

It's not like being gay only comes up when a person is in their 'experimental' years. So why not let it go?

[QUOTE=latin_geek;32051061]Ahahaha that is so fucked up Not laughing at the OP, laughing at the people supporting this.[/QUOTE] Hahaha, oh wow.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32051381]Yeah, it is, the more you fight males off, the more women you breed with and you lower the chances of someone else breeding with the female you impregnated, possibly "stealing" your kill. No, no, the ability to correctly do that. I guess you think abilities and dexterity and shit aren't connected to genetics? Well, I strongly disagree with that. Smart people give birth to smart people (generally, there's still experiences and the randomness associated with breeding and growth to deal with), strong people give birth to strong people. The brain commands our every decision, the brain is a part of the body, the body is created by the genes. I see no reason as to why genetics can't have a (huge) part in our behavior[/QUOTE] Then why do we still have homosexuals? And asexuals, for that matter? They ain't doing [I]too[/I] much reproducing.

[QUOTE=Contag;32050888]You can definitely have a different gender to your sex. Ever met a feminine man, or a masculine woman? Sex is binary, whereas gender is a whole spectrum. The girl identifies with femininity, as opposed to masculinity. That is all. [/QUOTE] I feel like sex and gender are actually the same fucking thing, and if you're a feminine man or a masculine woman, then that's what you are. A feminine man or a masculine woman.

[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;32051913]I feel like sex and gender are actually the same fucking thing.[/QUOTE] Except that, you know, they aren't. They're different words with different definitions.

[QUOTE=Contag;32051873]Then why do we still have homosexuals? And asexuals, for that matter? They ain't doing [I]too[/I] much reproducing.[/QUOTE] [url]http://personalitycafe.com/current-events/13631-gay-genes-x-chromosome-makes-gays-makes-babies.html[/url] A gene that doesn't make you attracted to your own gender, but to a specific gender. males who get the male gene don't reproducer, women with the male gene reproduce more than an average woman. They balance each other out.