Transgender 10-Year-Old, Jackie, Born A Boy, Happier As A Girl - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32051381]Yeah, it is, the more you fight males off, the more women you breed with[/QUOTE] but this isn't true for humans, you don't fight males off to bread with women, we're a lot more like the bonobo's than the other great apes. [QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32051381] and you lower the chances of someone else breeding with the female you impregnated, possibly "stealing" your kill.[/QUOTE] this isn't true for human or monkey societies. [QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32051381] I guess you think abilities and dexterity and shit aren't connected to genetics? Well, I strongly disagree with that. Smart people give birth to smart people (generally, there's still experiences and the randomness associated with breeding and growth to deal with), strong people give birth to strong people. The brain commands our every decision, the brain is a part of the body, the body is created by the genes. I see no reason as to why genetics can't have a (huge) part in our behavior[/QUOTE] there's no proof, if you wanted to create offspring that had such abilities they'd both have to express such a gene and there's also absolutely no evidence that smart people bread more smart people. that's really stupid and part of the eugenics thing that was disproved last century. you might not see why genetics don't play a "huge part" in our behavior but you obviously don't know much about the human genome. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome[/url] there's no evidence to suggest that any kind of strength or intelligence is based upon genetics. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32051941][url]http://personalitycafe.com/current-events/13631-gay-genes-x-chromosome-makes-gays-makes-babies.html[/url] A gene that doesn't make you attracted to your own gender, but to a specific gender. males who get the male gene don't reproducer, women with the male gene reproduce more than an average woman. They balance each other out.[/QUOTE] hypothesis, not proven or tested.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32051989]but this isn't true for humans, you don't fight males off to bread with women, we're a lot more like the bonobo's than the other great apes. [/QUOTE] You've clearly never been to a railway station in a white trash area.

[QUOTE=Contag;32052005]You've clearly never been to a railway station in a white trash area.[/QUOTE] if anything that proves it's a social thing not a genetic thing.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32052016]if anything that proves it's a social thing not a genetic thing.[/QUOTE] I was joking. I think it's social.

I really don't get some of you posters. You guys are absolutely fine with homosexual people, but when transgendered people are brought up all of you say "Ew, gross, transgendered people are so weird". That attitude is fucking disgusting.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;32052056]I really don't get some of you posters. You guys are absolutely fine with homosexual people, but when transgendered people are brought up all of you say "Ew, gross, transgendered people are so weird". That attitude is fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] You could say that it's morally indefensible.

[QUOTE=Contag;32052035]I was joking. I think it's social.[/QUOTE] i know i was just being witty

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32052065]You could say that it's morally indefensible.[/QUOTE] people wanting to live their lives the way they want in a fashion that does not affect a single part of your life in any way? BAN IT

[QUOTE=thisispain;32051989]but this isn't true for humans, you don't fight males off to bread with women, we're a lot more like the bonobo's than the other great apes. this isn't true for human or monkey societies. there's no proof, if you wanted to create offspring that had such abilities they'd both have to express such a gene and there's also absolutely no evidence that smart people bread more smart people. that's really stupid and part of the eugenics thing that was disproved last century. you might not see why genetics don't play a "huge part" in our behavior but you obviously don't know much about the human genome. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome[/url] there's no evidence to suggest that any kind of strength or intelligence is based upon genetics.[/QUOTE] Untrue, monogamy's the proof. Even if you're just fuck buddies, most will stop other males from "using" them as well. Untrue, if two men deposit sperm on a woman, one day apart, both have a chance to impregnate the woman. Hell, I was even told one day that the whole point of the glans was to swoop out semen. And no, not really, I'll fall back on that other argument. The brain dictates intelligence. The brain is created with genetics and influenced with experiences. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ[/url] [url]http://www.macalester.edu/psychology/whathap/ubnrp/intelligence05/Rnature.html[/url] And intelligence is one thing, but strength? Saying that strength has no genetic basis is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Trogdon;32052124]people wanting to live their lives the way they want in a fashion that does not affect a single part of your life in any way? BAN IT[/QUOTE] I mean that attacking people for living their life as they wish is morally indefensible, you nonce.

[url]http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,983713,00.html[/url] Not a hypothesis.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32051989] there's no proof, if you wanted to create offspring that had such abilities they'd both have to express such a gene and there's also absolutely no evidence that smart people bread more smart people. that's really stupid and part of the eugenics thing that was disproved last century. you might not see why genetics don't play a "huge part" in our behavior but you obviously don't know much about the human genome. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome[/url] there's no evidence to suggest that any kind of strength or intelligence is based upon genetics. [/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure a 6'4 man that has naturally a lot of muscle will breed a strong son there is a chance his son will be weak but the chances are it'll be strong cmon pain that's just simple lattice genetics right there

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32052203][url]http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,983713,00.html[/url] Not a hypothesis.[/QUOTE] hahaha time magazine as a source do you just sit there reading dumb articles and thinking you're right? gene paring is a very chaotic process

[QUOTE=TBFundy;32052244]i'm pretty sure a 6'4 man that has naturally a lot of muscle will breed a strong son[/QUOTE] well no not if his son is malnourished, doesn't exercise much, or has a genetic muscle illness. not to mention the female has to have the same genetic disposition. and am i supposed to assume that this 6'4 man was naturally strong? that isn't even possible. we've already mapped out the genome and such factors have found little basis in reality. [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32052203][url]http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,983713,00.html[/url] Not a hypothesis.[/QUOTE] did you read that article because it says that it is a hypothesis. it was an observation of genetics that suggests a genetic link, not actual scientific evidence.

[url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/nyreview.html[/url] I never said it wasn't, I never called a son a clone of his father, but to deny any and every influence of genetics on your body shape is idiotic. It's not a simple hyphotesis, it's a theory that looks pretty well-funded to me, despite not being waterproof. And yeah that doesn't mean jack shit about the influence of genetics. Fuck, if gene have no say on your body type, why are there sexual traits at all? Sexual differences naturally occur and are passed on by their parents, why would it stop there? I come back to the same argument. If genes build the body, how can you say it has no say in the final thing?

It's funny that he/she will never actually know what it feels like to be a boy OR a girl now in any way. The feelings are not there nor are the emotions. This person is now trapped between the lines of femininity and masculinity. There are a lot of things girls need to go through in their lives, proper emotional trips especially when puberty starts and menstrual cycles start to play their part. This person will have no proper sensitivity or real way to have comfortable sex in the future. Breasts won't naturally grow either. This poor soul is going to be with meds for the rest of their life.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32052343] but to deny any and every influence of genetics on your body shape is idiotic.[/QUOTE] you've played a trick on me then because i was responding to this [quote]strong people give birth to strong people.[/quote] physiology is part of my education and body shape and type are not related to strength. so uh, i never denied any influence or genetics on body shape or type because you never even mentioned that till now.

When I meant body shape, I meant characteristics of the body, strength, height and such.

What about puberty?

[QUOTE=Singo;32052522]What about puberty?[/QUOTE] That's the problem with this whole thing. That would be torture for her, and she would need to be put on hormone pills early to avoid it, which would never happen.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32052497]When I meant body shape, I meant characteristics of the body, strength, height and such.[/QUOTE] yeah but i wasn't talking about height or such, i was talking about strength which isn't part of body shape or type. no-one is naturally strong, muscle build-up isn't carried in your genetic information. your genes aren't a snapshot of your life.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32052545]yeah but i wasn't talking about height or such, i was talking about strength which isn't part of body shape or type. no-one is naturally strong, muscle build-up isn't carried in your genetic information. your genes aren't a snapshot of your life.[/QUOTE] Hey, remember that woman who was performing exceptionally well in the Olympics, or wherever it was, and they tested her and found she was genetically male but developed female organs for some reason? That sure shits over your argument doesn't it

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32052568]Hey, remember that woman who was performing exceptionally well in the Olympics, or wherever it was, and they tested her and found she was genetically male but developed female organs for some reason? That sure shits over your argument doesn't it[/QUOTE] Your brain sure shits over your posts, doesn't it thisispain already talked about sexual organs influencing that read them. [editline]1st September 2011[/editline] also why the entire east german olympic team was taking testosterone by the gallon

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32052568]Hey, remember that woman who was performing exceptionally well in the Olympics, or wherever it was, and they tested her and found she was genetically male but developed female organs for some reason? That sure shits over your argument doesn't it[/QUOTE] no not really. is being genetically male with developed female organs and performing exceptionally well in the Olympics relevant to the idea that strong people somehow bear strong childeren? i don't think it really is

Her name was Something Semenya and she was a South African who competed in the IAAF World Championshipp in the past few years

Ultimately, this is [i]Jackie's[/i] decision to make, nobody else's. Gender reassignment is a very long, in-depth process. Jackie will spend all of his teenage years attending therapy and taking hormones, he will live as a woman until he is of the legal age to pursue gender reassignment surgery. His therapists, and the other people in his therapy sessions, will help him to discover what it is he truly wants from life, will help him to become comfortable with who he is, and help him to be absolutely sure of whatever decision he makes when the time comes to make it. Should he decide to pursue gender reassignment surgery, he will have already spent at least eight years living full-time as a woman, and there will be no reservation or hesitation when he is asked whether he really wants to make the change. Or, he may come to realize that he doesn't need to become a woman in order to be comfortable and happy with who he is, and so he may decide to simply live as a man, gay or straight. The only person it should truly matter to is Jackie himself. There is no moral argument to be made against transgenderism for the simple fact that it is an incredibly personal condition, which effects nobody outside the individual "suffering" from it and his immediate family. What a person does with his body, or the lifestyle that a person desires for his personal happiness, is of no concern to anybody but that person, and so there is no reason at all why anybody should make those decisions for him. I only use the masculine pronoun in the interest of clarity, and have no qualms about referring to Jackie as "her" or "she."

[QUOTE=Contag;32052602]Your brain sure shits over your posts, doesn't it thisispain already talked about sexual organs influencing that read them.[/QUOTE] this too. we know that the stronger strength comes from males having sex organs that require testosterone to function well.

[QUOTE=Judas;32049370]Transgender ops shouldnt be legal until age 18.[/QUOTE] I agree. You go through drastic changes after that age and your ideas on your gender could be one of them.

I apologize, I thought that you were making that point to argue that men weren't stronger than women, as people have told me in the past. I'm just kinda eager to quit my homework and get into that debate again for some reason.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;32052645]I agree. You go through drastic changes after that age and your ideas on your gender could be one of them.[/QUOTE] I may be wrong about this, but I was under the impression that you [i]did[/i] have to be eighteen in order to have the actual procedure done? I know that hormone therapy is given for several months/years in order to prepare the body for the surgery, and in order to give the person seeking the surgery a chance to understand what it is like to experience life from the other side of the gender line, but can this surgery actually be given to minors?