Transgender 10-Year-Old, Jackie, Born A Boy, Happier As A Girl - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32052659]I apologize, I thought that you were making that point to argue that men weren't stronger than women[/QUOTE] well to nitpick, men have more muscle mass, which means on average they have more physical strength than women. men can still be weaker than women on an individual basis.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;32052645]I agree. You go through drastic changes after that age and your ideas on your gender could be one of them.[/QUOTE] Yeah because by then no damage has been done oh wait trying to be a transgender in the most difficult time of your life but not looking like one and everyone knowing that you are actually not the gender you are pretending to be and being constantly ridiculed. i'm not at all for supporting age, but if you are then 13 should be the minimum age. you can't tell someone what they can and can't do with their body.

Should wait until at least puberty. Who knows what could go wrong.

[QUOTE=Asmaedus;32052704]Should wait until at least puberty. Who knows what could go wrong.[/QUOTE] 13 is puberty in the very least. that age has been brought upon by milk fucking milk

[QUOTE=thisispain;32052685]well to nitpick, men have more muscle mass, which means on average they have more physical strength than women. men can still be weaker than women on an individual basis.[/QUOTE] Yes, I know they can be weaker. Really you'd have to be really, really stupid to think there was not one case of this occurring. It is odd, then, that so many people seemed to think I believed that. To quote JohnnyMo1, I believe, "That's not true because I know a few girls who can beat the shit out of me." Or something like that. What annoyed me was that some people denied men had any advantage at all. Sanius said that misogynist gender roles and a broken society are the reason why men always seem to outperform women at marathons, etc. When I asked if, in a perfect non-misogynist society, men and women would be equal in marathon performance, he believed so. That was ridiculous, I believed.

[QUOTE=Trogdon;32052687]Yeah because by then no damage has been done oh wait trying to be a transgender in the most difficult time of your life but not looking like one and everyone knowing that you are actually not the gender you are pretending to be and being constantly ridiculed. i'm not at all for supporting age, but if you are then 13 should be the minimum age. you can't tell someone what they can and can't do with their body.[/QUOTE] The only reason that I would argue there to be an "age of consent" for gender reassignment surgery is that it is a lifelong commitment, there is no coming back. The person seeking this surgery needs to be able to have an adequate amount of time to experience life as a man/woman in order to help him/her to become as comfortable as possible with their options, and to make an informed decision. Additionally, the brain continues to undergo pretty drastic chemical and hormonal changes until your early twenties, and so the terrible confliction that a transgendered person feels may lessen as they learn more about themselves and become for comfortable with their role.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32052729]Yes, I know they can be weaker. Really you'd have to be really, really stupid to think there was not one case of this occurring. It is odd, then, that so many people seemed to think I believed that. To quote JohnnyMo1, I believe, "That's not true because I know a few girls who can beat the shit out of me." Or something like that. What annoyed me was that some people denied men had any advantage at all. Sanius said that misogynist gender roles and a broken society are the reason why men always seem to outperform women at marathons, etc. When I asked if, in a perfect non-misogynist society, men and women would be equal in marathon performance, he believed so. That was ridiculous, I believed.[/QUOTE] For marathon runners, I'd imagine the performances would be similar. But that's because marathon runners aren't human.

well if you believe that is ridiculous then you'd have to believe that literally the only factor in marathon performance is gender, IE all women run the same speed and all men run the same speed.

[QUOTE=Trogdon;32052687]Yeah because by then no damage has been done oh wait trying to be a transgender in the most difficult time of your life but not looking like one and everyone knowing that you are actually not the gender you are pretending to be and being constantly ridiculed. i'm not at all for supporting age, but if you are then 13 should be the minimum age. you can't tell someone what they can and can't do with their body.[/QUOTE] There was this small transgendered person at my school. They always made fun of them. I have always felt bad that I have never said anything, but I think doing that takes a lot of courage.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32052746]well if you believe that is ridiculous then you'd have to believe that literally the only factor in marathon performance is gender, IE all women run the same speed and all men run the same speed.[/QUOTE] ...they don't?

I'm all for transgender folks, but big decisions like this should be only allowed to be made by adults.

[QUOTE=Contag;32052754]...they don't?[/QUOTE] yes so if i understand sanius's claim perfectly, if in a non-misogynistic society women were given the same importance and access to training facilities as men, the women could be competitive with the men which i don't think is that outrageous of a claim.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32052746]well if you believe that is ridiculous then you'd have to believe that literally the only factor in marathon performance is gender, IE all women run the same speed and all men run the same speed.[/QUOTE] What? Men have a natural advantage, women must work harder to attain the some ability. So unless we expect all women to DO that extra work, on average, men will always perform better.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32052770]yes so if i understand sanius's claim perfectly, if in a non-misogynistic society women were given the same importance and access to training facilities as men, the women could be competitive with the men which i don't think is that outrageous of a claim.[/QUOTE] but but but boys are boys and girls are girls girls like barbie boys like trucks you mean the media has lied to me!?

Woah this thread has a lot of bad posts in it Lot of bad rates too Your names are all on the list

[QUOTE=Contag;32052745]But that's because marathon runners aren't human.[/QUOTE] Hey, my mom's a marathon runner, and a decent one too for a woman her age! She lifts weights a LOT, runs every day or she's pissy, and meanwhile, my Dad who doesn't exercise at ALL apart from occasional walks in the woods, could beat her at arm-wrestling any day.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32052783]What? Men have a natural advantage, women must work harder to attain the some ability. So unless we expect all women to DO that extra work, on average, men will always perform better.[/QUOTE] well no we know that it's less of a bar and more of a factor. the more and more elite of the marathon runners you get the more the difference in strength between the genders become obvious. so the difference in gender will become clear in literally the quickest and strongest of athletes in the world and that still doesn't mean that hypothetically a woman could not do that extra work. the lower you go in level the less the genetic difference becomes. for instance the difference in gender becomes miniscule in high-school

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32052819]Hey, my mom's a marathon runner, and a decent one too for a woman her age! She lifts weights a LOT, runs every day or she's pissy, and meanwhile, my Dad who doesn't exercise at ALL apart from occasional walks in the woods, could beat her at arm-wrestling any day.[/QUOTE] That's something which is applicable to most marathon runners.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32052819] She lifts weights a LOT, runs every day or she's pissy, and meanwhile, my Dad who doesn't exercise at ALL apart from occasional walks in the woods, could beat her at arm-wrestling any day.[/QUOTE] maybe she looses on purpose. :v:

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32052809]Woah this thread has a lot of bad posts in it Lot of bad rates too Your names are all on the list[/QUOTE] It's a thread of trans-gendered kids. what the hell did you expect?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32052819]Hey, my mom's a marathon runner, and a decent one too for a woman her age! She lifts weights a LOT, runs every day or she's pissy, and meanwhile, my Dad who doesn't exercise at ALL apart from occasional walks in the woods, could beat her at arm-wrestling any day.[/QUOTE] Comes down to personal genetics. I carry about 50 pounds of faux German equipment in World War II reenactments but I'm still a fatass, and these are 5 to 6 hours long with lots of running and shit. Some people have it easy while others have to work at it. [editline]1st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;32052835]maybe she looses on purpose. :v:[/QUOTE] That would piss me off entirely if someone hid their skills just to make me feel better.

[QUOTE=Swilly;32052838] I carry about 50 pounds of faux German equipment in World War II reenactments[/QUOTE] hah really? do you wear the uniforms too? that's so awesomely geeky.

[QUOTE=Contag;32052837]It's a thread of trans-gendered kids. what the hell did you expect?[/QUOTE] No the bad posts are coming from the other side of the aisle

You know how kids always say that they want to be an astronaut or a pirate when they grow up? Or when they always that they are going to run away, but end up walking back to the house? That is fucking why they should wait until they are 18 so that they would have time to consider their life choices.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32052853]No the bad posts are coming from the other side of the aisle[/QUOTE] wha?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32052853]No the bad posts are coming from the other side of the aisle[/QUOTE] if at any point you feel unsatisfied with the level of service thisispain provides, please feel free to leave a negative comment on my profile page and eat my penis.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32052851]hah really? do you wear the uniforms too? that's so awesomely geeky.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I would yell in German too...if I fucking knew German.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32052853]No the bad posts are coming from the other side of the aisle[/QUOTE] We're in aisles now?

[QUOTE=thisispain;32052871]if at any point you feel unsatisfied with the level of service thisispain provides, please feel free to leave a negative comment on my profile page and eat my penis.[/QUOTE] thisispain, telling it how it is. [editline]1st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32052873]We're in aisles now?[/QUOTE] Good sir, I do believe that you missed the joke!

I'm...seriously confused now.