Iran will send 4,000 troops to aid Bashar al-Assad’s forces in Syria - Polidicks

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41055879]Yeah we should just let a brutal regime crush everything in its path. Despite over a 100,000 people dead already.[/QUOTE] America?

[QUOTE=krakadict;41056315]why? you dont know what the terrorists can and will do just look at the sarin nerve gas do you think that the rebels did it? no do you think that the goverment did it? no it's a ploy by the terrorists to get the west to arm the "rebels"[/QUOTE] You sound like the people on yahoo! answers who say stupid shit like this. [editline]16th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=krakadict;41056451]honesty no i havent really looked into the conflict other then a odd look here and there but still ~opinion~[/QUOTE] Oh wow great, you've read a news article or two, and you can make a judgement on 2+ years worth of fighting and how it started based on skimming over an article or two? Yes, it's your opinion, but its an incredibly misinformed opinion.

Yeah, this is probably not good. The Middle East is in deep shit if this inflates into a region-wide sectarian civil war. We can sell weapons and do the proxy war thing, sure, but I wonder how long that can really last when the US has effectively endorsed one side in this conflict.

I feel we are getting off on the wrong foot with the new Iranian president .

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;41057228]I feel we are getting off on the wrong foot with the new Iranian president .[/QUOTE] He doesn't enter office until August.

[QUOTE=entertainer89;41057079]America?[/QUOTE] Haha yeah I forgot how america was a forcibly-muslim country with a brutal dictatorship that had starvations and drouts, and murdered protesters We definately don't have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, right to protest, mostly-plentiful food and water, nah we're definately like Syria It's almost like you have some irrational hatred for America

Honestly they had this coming, US did sent 4000 troops to the Syrian border. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia had a say in this.

[QUOTE=laserguided;41057939]Honestly they had this coming, US did sent 4000 troops to the Syrian border. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia had a say in this.[/QUOTE] Who had this coming?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41058023]Who had this coming?[/QUOTE]The rebels, of course. They provoked Assad into slaughtering people by peacefully protesting in the first place.

People forget that the US essentially fought a secret war with Iran in Iraq. Open warfare is unlikely, but proxy war is not.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41055995]The game plan was to force Assad out and progress towards a more democratic institution where you don't have to be a bloody alawite to get anywhere.[/QUOTE] Like Iraq? Somewhat similar scenario. That sure ended well eh?

[QUOTE=Aman;41058945]Like Iraq? Somewhat similar scenario. That sure ended well eh?[/QUOTE] This is nothing like Iraq.

[QUOTE=Aman;41058945]Like Iraq? Somewhat similar scenario. That sure ended well eh?[/QUOTE]They're not similar in the slightest. The war was not started by outside powers, for a start.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41058963]This is nothing like Iraq.[/QUOTE] Deposing a dictator because of humanitarian concerns, country ends up in shambles, fragmented and radicalized populous and constant violence. Sounds like what happened to Iraq and what may as well happen to Syria. [editline]16th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;41058982]They're not similar in the slightest. The war was not started by outside powers, for a start.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying its cookie cutter. I'm saying a probable power vacuum with form like it has in Iraq and will begin to tear apart the country

[QUOTE=Aman;41058995]Deposing a dictator because of humanitarian concerns, country ends up in shambles, fragmented and radicalized populous and constant violence. Sounds like what happened to Iraq and what may as well happen to Syria.[/QUOTE] Iraq was deposing of a dictator, in a otherwise stable country because of some WMD ruse/concerns, and no real plan for afterwards. This is trying to stop a dictator from actively massacring civilians, and with an actual opposition.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41059048]Iraq was deposing of a dictator, in a otherwise stable country because of some WMD ruse/concerns, and no real plan for afterwards. This is trying to stop a dictator from actively massacring civilians, and with an actual opposition.[/QUOTE] I'm looking at it more from a get rid of dictator/leadership -> sectarian power vacuum familiar standpoint that has happened in middle eastern countries before time and time again. You really think the giant fragmented pool of rebels of various creeds have some plan for after Assad? I can see them beginning to fight each other (which they already have) if you consider that a plan. And Assad isn't "actively massacring civilians". To be actively committing massacres it'd be approaching Bosnia levels and so far it hasn't gotten that bad. Committed mostly by his stupid nationalists militias that to be fair he did create and stoke the fires. Also by his incompetent air force. Assad needed the conflict to get sectarian, he wants Shia versus Sunni cause that steers some gaze away from him and also bolsters his position. Shits getting messy and I don't see why the west should bother getting involved. "People are dying" yeah people die hourly all around the world.

[QUOTE=Aman;41059107]And Assad isn't "actively massacring civilians".[/QUOTE] The UN described his systematic arrest, torture and execution of civilians, including children as a State-policy. His soldiers, artillery, tanks, planes and helicopters are allowed to operate with total disregard for civilians, and often deliberately target them. Again this is state-policy.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41059128]The UN described his systematic arrest, torture and execution of civilians, including children as a State-policy.[/QUOTE] I guess what I should say is why is this my concern? Why should I stick my fingers into the beehive only to make the situation probably worse and have no tangible good outcome?

[QUOTE=Aman;41059133]I guess what I should say is why is this my concern? Why should I stick my fingers into the beehive only to make the situation probably worse and have no tangible good outcome?[/QUOTE] This isn't your concern clearly. You're just some kid from Canada. Would you care if the death toll was 200,000? 400,000?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41059147]This isn't your concern clearly. You're just some kid from Canada.[/QUOTE] Why is it your concern kid from UK?

[QUOTE=Aman;41059156]Why is it your concern kid from UK?[/QUOTE] Because the world has let one of the worst regimes in recent history murder over 100,000 people, and will let it continue to do so.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41059147] Would you care if the death toll was 200,000? 400,000?[/QUOTE] I don't know. Maybe(?) Death tolls like that are already common in Africa and I don't care about them. Humans aren't some big family, it doesn't effect me if people are dying in droves in Africa and why should I care if they do? You can't control what goes on in the world without consequences and I don't feel it's worth messing with things. How many revolts/revolutions did the west [I]not[/I] get involved in? Why does this one have to be one

[QUOTE=Aman;41059176]I don't know. Maybe(?) Death tolls like that are already common in Africa and I don't care about them. Humans aren't some big family, it doesn't effect me if people are dying in droves in Africa and why should I care if they do? You can't control what goes on in the world without consequences and I don't feel it's worth messing with things. How many revolts/revolutions did the west [I]not[/I] get involved in? Why does this one have to be one[/QUOTE] Should we have stopped the killings in Bosnia before it was too late?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41059205]Should we have stopped the killings in Bosnia before it was too late?[/QUOTE] It's not as easy as just sticking the western dick in the picture and suddenly humanitarianism flourishes.

[QUOTE=Aman;41059239]It's not as easy as just sticking the western dick in the picture and suddenly humanitarianism flourishes.[/QUOTE] But you recognise it was a mistake to leave intervention in Bosnia so late?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41059253]But you recognise it was a mistake to leave intervention in Bosnia so late?[/QUOTE] It was late if that is the game you are playing. If you are going to go down that path of interventionism and basically imperialism. But I don't even want to play that game to begin with. I can think like an interventionist without being one

[QUOTE=Aman;41059303]Sure if you are going to go down that path of interventionism and basically imperialism. But I don't even want to play that game to begin with. I can think like an interventionist without being one[/QUOTE] what does this even mean

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41059319]what does this even mean[/QUOTE] yeah poor wording. Argument is beginning to run in circles anyway. Clearly we disagree