[QUOTE=kwk;32345078]You're full of shit.[/QUOTE]
So we can buy him for 10 dollars more?
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[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;32350776]Goddamn, calm the hell down.
People can do whatever they want with their money.
And don't call people sheeps for buying popular stuff. That pretty much makes you a huge "I'm-not-a-conformist" asshole.[/QUOTE]
No that just makes me mad because it just drastically diminish the number of good games.
Even the good games are losing in quality because heh, fuck that, if people keep buying modern warfare we don't need to put ANY effort in our games after all.
People are sheeps because they're so hyped about a xbox live arcade-worth game that they run to buy it from day one full price while it's the exact same thing as the previous one, yet still sold at
$70.
Street Fighter 4 had three versions (yet), and they were all sold ten dollars cheaper than the previous version. With drastic gameplay balancing between them.
I's not because you have 70 bucks in your wallet that you must accept calmly to buy all of your games at full price while most of them only should be bought used, because they're too damn expensive. At this stage it's not conformism, it's just putting a rope around your neck.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32352817]
Even the good games are losing in quality because heh, fuck that, if people keep buying modern warfare we don't need to put ANY effort in our games after all.[/QUOTE]
pretty certain games are getting better not worse.
Also Modern Warfare 2 was good because with CoD 2 it was the only sequel to really actually improve and change buttloads of stuff. It wasn't too short, the multiplayer was fun and interesting, and it was worth the 70$ they wanted from it because it was definitely not some sort of CoD 2.5 (like call of duty 3 was).
Shit started to go down with world at war (made by Treyarch, like CoD 3 and all of the shitty expansions before) because it just went back to the ww2 and felt like it was only made so the developers could put their zombie nazis idea in a full priced game.
[QUOTE=person11;32348078][img]http://gaming.operationreality.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/WIC_Berlinwall.jpg[/img]
Piece of the Berlin Wall, anyone?[/QUOTE]
I remember you could pick up a piece of the Berlin Wall for like 5€ in alot of Berlin tourist shops.
[QUOTE=Thund3rdome;32352992]I remember you could pick up a piece of the Berlin Wall for like 5€ in alot of Berlin tourist shops.[/QUOTE]
Were you sure it was authentic one with a certificate ? 'cause yeah, it's easy to pick a piece of broken apart concrete and paint it with shit to claim it a berlin wall piece.
[QUOTE=thisispain;32352839]pretty certain games are getting better not worse.[/QUOTE]
The technique is getting better, the quality is going down.
It's not because technically games nowadays are more stable (which tends to be less and less true since devs have less time to perfect their title and end up with bugs-filled games) that they necessarily have new elements, originality, a better story, better characters, etc.
The problem is that the three simplified causes of this loss of quality are linked and pretty much the consequence of the other - it's a vicious circle.
Developers have much less time to make their game -> They're putting less effort into it -> People still buy it at full price -> Publishers have no reason to give more time to their devs and still give them less time than usual -> etc.
As long as people will keep buying the games full priced shit will keep going down until we touch the bottom. It needs to stop.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32353071]
The technique is getting better, the quality is going down.
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not really, old games were pretty shit once you look past the nostalgia.
i mean everything was better when you were fucking 10.
Because the story and universe has SO MUCH IMPROVED over the years.
System shock 2 is still drastically more immersing, deep and interesting than Call of Duty.
And I know CoD is a modern warfare game and SS2 is a science fiction one. Well that's exactly what's wrong. Making modern warfare and ww2 located games, is there's nothing new or clearly fictional in it, is just a proof of a clear lack of time spent into the actual background.
Return to Castle Wolfenstein is a game going on in the world war 2 and there's an original background.
Metal Gear Solid is a game going on in modern war and there's an original background.
I know the mechanics have suffered from the ages (though I NEVER played deus ex 1 or SS2 during my childhood, only played them recently, and still think they're very good games, even technically), this is not what I'm talking about here.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32353159]
System shock 2 is still drastically more immersing, deep and interesting than Call of Duty.
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only if you played it back when it was interesting
if you play it now and you don't get it it's probably just shit
As I said I started playing SS2 a WEEK ago. The game is far from being "just shit".
It doesn't seem worth the extra money for it.
unless it's like 5 $ more then, I'd get it (If I were to get MW3)
yeah but most people would just play the game and find it shit because games have evolved.
that's not activision's fault just as it isn't 20th century fox's fault that people don't find black and white films as attractive as colour films.
SS2 has really well aged, shitty textures apart. The gameplay is still very well done, the melee system is simple but intelligent (can't hit shit if a wall is blocking your strike, which is a mechanic that hasn't been used so much in games apart from this one and Demon's Soul) and most importantly the game has an AMAZING BACKGROUND.
MW3 feels like another damned modern war game with no originality put into it. I can get it when yo do it once, but three times in a row ? That's just bullshit.
I dunno. people just seem to pick on it.
I find cod fun to play with friends. Ain't the most innovative game ever, but in this day and age, not many games are.
[QUOTE=thisispain;32353077]not really, old games were pretty shit once you look past the nostalgia.
i mean everything was better when you were fucking 10.[/QUOTE]
I thought older games are in a lot of cases better than newer games. Look at Half-Life, it revolutionized the FPS genre, it was original, and it had an immersive story that you could delve into. As a kid I loved it, and as an adult I still love it and find myself playing through it at least once a year. I could also say that about Silent Hill 2! It did to the horror genre as Half-Life did to FPS's. SH2 is also a game I find myself playing quite often, especially around Halloween and the fall season.
If you notice games like the Modern Warfare series is just pumped out yearly, and I do find myself enjoying them for a while then I get bored. The single player isn't ever much to be expected, Cod 4 was good, but after Mw2 it just loses any interest. In Valve's case it may take a while for the next game to be released but at leas you can expect something great. Look at HL2 and compare it to Portal 2; both are on the same engine, but because they put a ton of work into it they can still make it shine after half a decade, and the stories are always rich and gameplay fresh.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;32353267]I thought older games are in a lot of cases better than newer games. [/QUOTE]
yeah i just said why. i love the shit out of doom because my childhood was marked by it and i'll declare it the greatest game ever but it's important to keep perspective and realize that games have gotten better.
And the game is yet still sold at full price even though it's the first installment in the series in the course of 4 YEARS.
There's a very few devs that put actual heart into their games (plus greed, no one's doing that shit for free, the goal is still to make money after all, hence Notch) nowadays, the rest just take the fact that making always the same exact game over and over is enough to get money, and who'll blame them for that ? If we don't give them reasons to make good games with technical and story-wise qualities, no one will.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;32353276]yeah i just said why. i love the shit out of doom because my childhood was marked by it and i'll declare it the greatest game ever but it's important to keep perspective and realize that games have gotten better.[/QUOTE]
Doom's still hella funnier than most nowadays action games.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32353297]And the game is yet still sold at full price even though it's the first installment in the series in the course of 4 YEARS.
There's a very few devs that put actual heart into their games (plus greed, no one's doing that shit for free, the goal is still to make money after all, hence Notch) nowadays, the rest just take the fact that making always the same exact game over and over is enough to get money, and who'll blame them for that ? If we don't give them reasons to make good games with technical and story-wise qualities, no one will.[/QUOTE]
far more games were released back when they cost 20 bucks to make you just don't remember because you were probably too young and they were terrible.
you think Doom was the only shooter of 1994? there were countless terrible knock-offs.
I know right. Still doesn't excuse nothing was made about it, if we've got the technology to do it, then freaking do it instead of staying in the good old "let's make shit, people will buy it anyway" tendency.
The difference is, the "terrible knock-off" has become the mainstream best-selling game while the original games are hidden behind it.
then fucking play the original games. no need to be a snob and knock down what people enjoy. still plenty of original games going about.
[QUOTE=thisispain;32353276]yeah i just said why. i love the shit out of doom because my childhood was marked by it and i'll declare it the greatest game ever but it's important to keep perspective and realize that games have gotten better.[/QUOTE]
I agree in terms of graphics and immersive quality games have gotten much better; more or less the potential for amazing games is higher than the limitations of older games and their engines. For example: Bethesda knows this and they take full advantage of the possibilities of today's gaming technology. They've been very good about it since Morrowind, and all the way up to Fallout: New Vegas. My issue with Modern Warfare is that sure it's pretty, it's packed full of explosions and "interactive" cut sequences but it suffers from Far Cry 2 syndrome in the sense that it's repetitive. I'm not saying I hate the Modern Warfare series, I enjoy it for quick thrills but in the end it doesn't carry much else once the excitement burns out.
yeah well criticize MW based on that and not based on the concept of "games used to be better" when they really weren't at all.
gaming back then was fucking terrible, i had to use 8 floppies to play doom 2
[QUOTE=thisispain;32353356]then fucking play the original games. no need to be a snob and knock down what people enjoy. still plenty of original games going about.[/QUOTE]
I'm not gonna play the same three damn games for the rest of my life, I'm expecting from the devs that they release other good quality titles.
Making MW a best seller isn't giving them so much reasons to create new classics.
[QUOTE=thisispain;32353394]i had to use 8 floppies to play doom 2[/QUOTE]
OH NO! How terrible for you! I mean the install took all of 10 minutes.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32353408]I'm not gonna play the same three damn games for the rest of my life, I'm expecting from the devs that they release other good quality titles..[/QUOTE]
yeah no-one's really forcing you to either.
and yes having MW be a best seller isn't going to create new classics, ignoring the fact that countless amazing games have come out while the game industry was supposedly terrorized by modern warfare.
I've got the feeling you still didn't get my point at all.
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32353419]OH NO! How terrible for you! I mean the install took all of 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]
hahah install.
like i was gonna waste hard-drive space by installing doom.
Still worths more time and space than call of dookie.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32353431]I've got the feeling you still didn't get my point at all.[/QUOTE]
your point is wrong, MW hasn't stopped any classic games from coming out at any point.
Shogun 2 alone is testament to that.
[editline]18th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;32353453]Still worths more time and space than call of dookie.[/QUOTE]
thanks for degrading yourself to a 13 year old.
That's one classic game for the dozens of dozens of terrible games coming out each year. You'll need better examples than that.
It's just complete blindness not to see Activision is using all of its money for the MW series and the marketing around it, which basically makes all of the other developers under Activision's grasp complete piles of useless shit as they barely have enough money to do what they want.
Other Publishers just follow the same policy because that's what's working - give all of your money to a single developers for a game with no value at all, make people think it's the best game of all time, pigeons buy it at full price, keep forgetting about the smaller devs who want to release more original games.
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