Non-US citizens may be allowed to vote in NYC elections. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;40658951]oh ok so what the fuck will "citizen" mean then[/QUOTE] Legal protection under the constitution, access to social security and other social welfare programs. But, fuck it, why be a citizen.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40659242]lol "if you pay taxes and love america" that means that, like half of americans over 18 shouldn't be able to vote. [/QUOTE] do some people have special status that they can't pay taxes on anything whatsoever, can i have this status, im pretty sure everyone pays even the simplest taxes???

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40659263]do some people have special status that they can't pay taxes on anything whatsoever, can i have this status, im pretty sure everyone pays even the simplest taxes???[/QUOTE]He means the "Love america" part.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;40659240]How would you know if the person is knowledgeable in the current political affairs?[/QUOTE] nothing in the constitution says that the right to vote is conditional based on how knowledgeable you are

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40659263]do some people have special status that they can't pay taxes on anything whatsoever, can i have this status, im pretty sure everyone pays even the simplest taxes???[/QUOTE] someone unemployed doesn't pay income tax. also would you really consider someone who gets state or federal welfare to "pay taxes"? i mean their income is tax money anyways. [editline]16th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Jad Hinto;40659273]He means the "Love america" part.[/QUOTE] that too.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40659242] so people born here have the privilege of being able to vote without being educated properly or knowing who their candidate is, but aliens shouldn't?[/QUOTE] Babies aren't insta-citizens. Why do you think there is an age requirement to vote in the first place? I would think by then an average 18 year old would graduate high school with above average standards and have a fair knowledge of how the system works as compared to a 10-year-old.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;40659290]Babies aren't insta-citizens. Why do you think there is an age requirement to vote in the first place? I would think by then an average 18 year old would graduate high school with above average standards and have a fair knowledge of how the system works as compared to a 10-year-old.[/QUOTE] [img]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/06/02/business/economy/economix-02graduationrates/economix-02graduationrates-custom1.jpg[/img] a large percentage of people don't graduate high school by the age of 18, should they not be allowed to vote?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40659284]someone unemployed doesn't pay income tax. also would you really consider someone who gets state or federal welfare to "pay taxes"? i mean their income is tax money anyways. [editline]16th May 2013[/editline] that too.[/QUOTE] do they pay sales tax or even miniscule ones that help fund community shit? thats paying taxes and people who vote to improve a community, i count as loving america despite intentions im just putting a generalization to obviously state as long they're here and affected by its community, they should be able to vote, are you trying to look for something????

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40659221]i think individual communities should make the decision regarding some form of non-arbitrary "age of majority" system. maybe when you get your first job somewhere, or when you have gone through a certain level of education and understand the ideas of decision-making. idk it isn't really a decision i would want to make personally.[/QUOTE] ok but ten is pretty fucking stupid

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40659304]do they pay sales tax or even miniscule ones that help fund community shit? thats paying taxes and people who vote to improve a community, i count as loving america despite intentions im just putting a generalization to obviously state as long they're here and affected by its community, they should be able to vote, are you trying to look for something????[/QUOTE] nah i was just commenting on the wording.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40659298][img]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/06/02/business/economy/economix-02graduationrates/economix-02graduationrates-custom1.jpg[/img] a large percentage of people don't graduate high school by the age of 18, should they not be allowed to vote?[/QUOTE] Graph only represents high school students graduating on time. There's still a-plenty that get GED's and alternative forms of education. Diploma or not, I would still say 18 is fine enough for citizens to become eligible to pick who they want to lead. You could stretch it to 16 but that would be more subjected to a localized level such as municipal or state elections.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;40659290]Babies aren't insta-citizens. Why do you think there is an age requirement to vote in the first place? I would think by then an average 18 year old would graduate high school with above average standards and have a fair knowledge of how the system works as compared to a 10-year-old.[/QUOTE] Actually yes, babies born in the US are instantly citizens.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;40659290]Babies aren't insta-citizens.[/QUOTE] uh yeah they are

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;40659321]Graph only represents high school students graduating on time. There's still a-plenty that get GED's and alternative forms of education. Diploma or not, I would still say 18 is fine enough for citizens to become eligible to pick who they want to lead.[/QUOTE] but why do non-citizens get left out of that?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40659327]but why do non-citizens get left out of that?[/QUOTE] Who said they were? The graph doesnt say explicitly that it was only US citizens

[QUOTE=areolop;40659335]Who said they were? The graph doesnt say explicitly that it was only US citizens[/QUOTE] i was talking about being allowed to vote.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40659324]uh yeah they are[/QUOTE] Yeah, but you can say kids aren't entitled to legal rights such as voting until 18. Citizens are required to pay taxes, your SSN is issued at a later age. A month old child isn't required to file 1040's. You're still much under your parents name as a child. You can say that babies are citizens but they sure as hell can't practice their rights as citizens until they're older.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;40659343]Yeah, but you can say kids aren't entitled to legal rights such as voting until 18. Citizens are required to pay taxes, your SSN is issued at a later age. A month old child isn't required to file 1040's You can say that babies are citizens but they sure as hell can't practice their rights as citizens until they're old.[/QUOTE] You're wrong on multiple things you say. You become a citizen as soon as you are born if you are born in the U.S. You are automatically given this even though you do nothing do deserve it. When you turn 18 you are automatically given voting rights that anyone else would have to become a citizen to have. You are issued a SSN at birth as well.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;40659343]Yeah, but you can say kids aren't entitled to legal rights such as voting until 18. Citizens are required to pay taxes, your SSN is issued at a later age. A month old child isn't required to file 1040's. You're still much under your parents name as a child.[/QUOTE] what a child isnt required to file 1040's because they dont make taxable income doesnt matter what age you are if you dont earn taxable income you dont file a 1040 and SSN's arent given just to citizens, im not a citizen and i have an SSN

So tourists can vote too then?

[QUOTE=Del91;40659410]So tourists can vote too then?[/QUOTE] no, they have to be here for six months minimum

Referring to all the side arguments where EVERYONE AND ANYONE should be allowed to vote.

What is to stop politicians from coming to America a year before an election to help sway the vote towards what will help their country?

[QUOTE=Del91;40659426]Referring to all the side arguments where EVERYONE AND ANYONE should be allowed to vote.[/QUOTE] yeah cept no-ones said that so far

[QUOTE=Del91;40659410]So tourists can vote too then?[/QUOTE] It's for residents.

[QUOTE=matt000024;40659444]What is to stop politicians from coming to America a year before an election to help sway the vote towards what will help their country?[/QUOTE] well nothing stops them, i assume no-one does it because that's a very funny and stupid idea

[QUOTE=matt000024;40659444]What is to stop politicians from coming to America a year before an election to help sway the vote towards what will help their country?[/QUOTE] if they wanna come to this country, stay for six months, pay the airline fee, and count as a single vote for a [B]municipal [/B]election that barely ( if none ) has power to 'help their country', then go for it?

[QUOTE=matt000024;40659444]What is to stop politicians from coming to America a year before an election to help sway the vote towards what will help their country?[/QUOTE] you are saying that it is a legitimate concern that politicians might leave their country to live in another country so they can put a single ballot in the box to help sway politics in favor of their country? how much did you smoke before making this post?

[QUOTE=matt000024;40659444]What is to stop politicians from coming to America a year before an election to help sway the vote towards what will help their country?[/QUOTE] I think a more plausible scenario would be that politicians promise immigrants life in America in exchange for their votes.

as long as you prove that you are legally in the US you should vote