• Federal Europe will be 'a reality in a few years', says Jose Manuel Barroso
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[QUOTE=deltasquid;40563309]Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you but that seems to have no relation whatsoever with what the guy you're quoting was saying? Diversity has little to do with sovereignty.[/QUOTE] I don't really know what I'm talking about. I think we should be closer to our European Neighbours, but I don't know how to do it apart from voting yes to the EU (and against the Conservative party, UKIP and the BNP).
[QUOTE=deltasquid;40563335]So yeah, I'd like to bold this part for everyone to see because if we nail this then there's no reason we can't unify Europe[/QUOTE] why do we need a unified Europe? Who could possibly benefit from that?
Nah. A unified Scandinavia might work though, I mean hypothetically. :v: [editline]7th May 2013[/editline] Kalmar 2.0
Haha that was good one. Federal Europe will never happen, and we're fine with that.
[QUOTE=Latex;40563363]why do we need a unified Europe? Who could possibly benefit from that?[/QUOTE] Europe, by being at peace and having a common currency that works to help trade.
Still should end these stupid agricultural subsidies and tariffs in the EU.
We need to stop being so xenophobic and pessimistic and start uniting as a planet. There's a whole infinite space out there to explore and we're still divided on our single little rock fighting over resources, territory, and superstitious beliefs. It has to stop at some point.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40563420]We need to stop being so xenophobic and pessimistic and start uniting as a planet. There's a whole infinite space out there to explore and we're still divided on our single little rock fighting over resources, territory, and superstitious beliefs. It has to stop at some point.[/QUOTE] this is what i was trying to get at. as soon as my spine is ready to come out of its growing vat i'll start making arguments like this
The differences of south and north Europe are creating problems right now when it comes to EU's legislation.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;40563420]We need to stop being so xenophobic and pessimistic and start uniting as a planet. There's a whole infinite space out there to explore and we're still divided on our single little rock fighting over resources, territory, and superstitious beliefs. It has to stop at some point.[/QUOTE] People need to have different opinions, or the world can't progress. A unified Earth would undermine that to some extent. Unless instead of countries, the world was full of autonomous regions. But that would pretty much be the same thing as countries.
[QUOTE=Kingy_ME;40563402]Europe, by being at peace and having a common currency that works to help trade.[/QUOTE] Can you be more specific? Exactly what will the european people gain that we can't achieve through normal trade agreements?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40562278]pretty much [img]http://radishmag.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/2-5-ice-cream-diversity.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] so what youre saying is multiculturalism is delicious and way better than seperate flavours
[QUOTE=mac338;40563457]People need to have different opinions, or the world can't progress. A unified Earth would undermine that to some extent. Unless instead of countries, the world was full of autonomous regions. But that would pretty much be the same thing as countries.[/QUOTE] Why do people need different countries to have different opinions?
There will be people in America who will be saying this is a sign of the Anti-Christ coming to power in Europe. I wish I was joking
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[QUOTE=Yahnich;40561414]for the socialist motherland[/QUOTE] it's a lie, capitalism is using socialism as a puppet.
[QUOTE=Kingy_ME;40563550]Why do people need different countries to have different opinions?[/QUOTE] Because that way more people get to have it their way, democratically speaking. A majority of the world is for instance against homosexual marriage, I wouldn't want that to be outlawed over all of Earth. And many other such things.
[QUOTE=Kingy_ME;40563550]Why do people need different countries to have different opinions?[/QUOTE] Believe it or not, but people like having control over their lives. A federal Europe would mean federal laws would be forced upon them and they'd have little to no word to say against it. Same if they'd like to pass a law in their state and the European Constitution goes against it. This stuff works in the US, it's a fresh, new country made of immigrants all wishing for a better future and a new life. I don't see it working on a thousands years old continent, with an incredibly rich history and extremely various set of different cultures.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40563655]There will be people in America who will be saying this is a sign of the Anti-Christ coming to power in Europe. I wish I was joking[/QUOTE] There are europeans saying the same, there's a few nutcases everywhere.
[QUOTE=Bliblixe;40563808]Believe it or not, but people like having control over their lives.[/QUOTE] ah so you are an anarchist i can respect that
[QUOTE=thisispain;40563900]ah so you are an anarchist i can respect that[/QUOTE] Obviously, this is why people can't vote, can't participate in rallies and fear deportation by the governement they or they didn't elect, right?
[QUOTE=Bliblixe;40563957]Obviously, this is why people can't vote, can't participate in rallies and fear deportation by the governement they or they didn't elect, right?[/QUOTE] i dont think you understood what i said if you want to have control over your lives then what difference does it make which government is taking it away? in any situation the EU has respected the rights of people far more than any of the individual nations. considering they have anti-EU people elected to the EU its hardly non-democratic either
Jokes on you EU, We're not going to use your currency. Love, England
[QUOTE=mac338;40563743]Because that way more people get to have it their way, democratically speaking. A majority of the world is for instance against homosexual marriage, I wouldn't want that to be outlawed over all of Earth. And many other such things.[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_homosexuality_laws.svg]It makes sense for the EU, because we have such similar values.[/url] [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_homosexuality_laws.svg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Retardation;40564067]but muh independence muh heritage m-muh culture[/QUOTE] ... is important to some people. Separation isn't a bad thing. The reason the US works as a federal state is that we were set up to be one; we don't have thousands of years of history to divide us. And think of the states, it would be weird for me to say "I'm a Georgian" instead of "I'm an American". Not everyone would want to say "I'm a European" instead of individual nations.
umm you ignore the fact that the european states have been federalised thousands of times throughout history. if federalism doesnt work in europe someone needs to explain the existence of germany [editline]7th May 2013[/editline] if germany can have the numerous amount of cultures within its borders AND be federalised then why is it an issue
Oh Jesus no! I didn't elect you Barroso you turd, stop attempting to shaft my country with your hellish European ideals. I don't want to vote for Nigel, but if you push me...
seriously you guys act like federalisation is some kind of weird obscure concept for europe shows how much you know about your own history
[QUOTE=thisispain;40564199]umm you ignore the fact that the european states have been federalised thousands of times throughout history. if federalism doesnt work in europe someone needs to explain the existence of germany [editline]7th May 2013[/editline] If germany can have the numerous amount of cultures within its borders AND be federalised then why is it an issue[/QUOTE] there are others too, while not strictly federal, the UK, Spain and Poland were once very divided. Europeans have such similar values that it CAN work. The EU seems to have basically been made a scapegoat in recent years when the vast majority of what it has done has been of massive benefit to all of us. and honestly, I think we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't, especially with developing nations maturing so quickly. We'll probably need a federal europe to really stay competitive and have a proper voice.
[QUOTE=thisispain;40564349]seriously you guys act like federalisation is some kind of weird obscure concept for europe shows how much you know about your own history[/QUOTE] I agree, the first thing that springs to my mind is the Holy Roman Empire. Arguably the first 'federal' 'state' of history. A federal Europe is IMO an inevitable thing. European nations states don't have the population to maintain their independence. Economically, nation states are on the decline. A small nation state cannot compete with the behemoths of America and China.
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