No charges for Utah cops who shot man holding cosplay sword six times in back - Polidicks

[QUOTE=zombini;46665233]As it's been said in almost every fucking thread about cops here, shooting someone in the leg is a really fucking shitty takedown method. Not only are you risking killing them, [B]you're risking permanent disability[/B], when there's better options.[/QUOTE] As compared to what, a body shot? major internal bleading resulting in death? Not that i agree with the "should shoot in the leg" stuff or anything, but i am not sure how a potential bullet to the knee resulting in disability weighs in compared to major organ damage and death.

Local news story on it [url]http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=31536612&nid=148[/url] CNN story [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/04/us/utah-samurai-sword-police-shooting/[/url]

So guy swings sword at cop starts to runs away cop shoots him in fear of him attacking someone who gets in his way sounds like justifiable use of force in my opinion. As he was a threat and they can't take the chance he would have swung at someone else. Its like shooting at someone, and running away. Just because you're running does not make you any less of a threat. You just tried to kill someone.

[QUOTE=Korova;46665196]Why the hell would you shoot the guy in the back? There's no excuse for that.[/QUOTE] If I'm put in the position where I feel I need to shoot you, once I open fire I will not stop until you are neutralized. If during the shooting you turn to run that means you'll possibly be shot in the back. It could be that's what happened here. The true question is were they justified to start shooting in the first place. If they were then it doesn't matter where the bullets impact. If they weren't justified then even shooting him in the front would be wrong.

[QUOTE=Korova;46665216]Can't shoot him in the leg and restrain him? These aren't exactly amateurs.[/QUOTE] but he could have cut the bullets using his sword

It's obvious most of the people above did not read the article. Not to mention cops have TASERS for a reason.

[QUOTE=FLIPPY;46665616]It's obvious most of the people above did not read the article. Not to mention cops have TASERS for a reason.[/QUOTE] Cops excuse was that "it happened to quickly" which I thought was strange but I don't know how procedures work

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46665211]This is the new thing, isnt it.[/QUOTE] not really a new thing at all considering how long blacks have been fucked over/killed by police for

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;46665372]imagine unironically believing in "shoot them in the leg"[/QUOTE] Hold these officers to higher standards. Like I said, this isn't just some amateur gun owner. Use a taser, I don't know, do something but there was definitely an opportunity for alternative methods to be used considering the altercation lasted over thirty seconds.

More reasons for those Body Cameras aye?

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46665211]This is the new thing, isnt it.[/QUOTE] It's a "new thing" because these cases have happened in a very short period of time while the internet had its spotlight on the topic. [editline]7th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=RoboChimp2;46665654]More reasons for those Body Cameras aye?[/QUOTE] I was really in support of them a few weeks ago, but the Garner case really proved my (small) skepticisms to be true.

Some police depts dont even issue tasers lol

This is absolutely fucking disgusting.This is fucking blatant. SIX fucking shots to the back. Guy apparently had some issues, but nothing violent, the news mentioned he did bit of psychedelic drugs from time to time, like that fucking matters. Everyone here in utah thinks weed will kill you. I feel really bad for good cops who get a bad wrap because of fucking retarded bastards like these ones. Utah cops are notorious for personal bias as well. I don't think I will ever fully trust the police force here again. Too much dumb shit has been happening related to Utah cops around me lately. And now this. I know for a fact cops will LIE their fucking asses off here in court. [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=RoboChimp2;46665654]More reasons for those Body Cameras aye?[/QUOTE] I 100% agree with this.

[QUOTE=Korova;46665652]Hold these officers to higher standards. Like I said, this isn't just some amateur gun owner. Use a taser, I don't know, do something but there was definitely an opportunity for alternative methods to be used considering the altercation lasted over thirty seconds.[/QUOTE] [quote]One witness said Hunt appeared to move his hands “like he was laughing” and spoke with one officer for up to 60 seconds before swinging the sword “very hard” at the second officer, who had just pulled up in a squad car. The county attorney read from an affidavit by a second witness, who told investigators “the guy appeared to be laughing and smiling and then pulled out the sword and took a swipe at the interviewing officer and began to run.[/quote] Obviously this guy wasn't right in the head. He threatened one cop with the sword, and they didn't know if he could have hurt someone in the process of escaping. Also regarding the whole leg thing, they train with targets like this [t]http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4000000/Police-target-cop-movies-4071210-1350-2560.jpg[/t]

But don't forget that [quote][b]But that witness told KUTV-TV last week that the affidavit misrepresented his statement to police and that he saw Hunt unsheathe the sword – but he did not swing it.[/b][/quote] Also, I highly doubt he was gonna go on a samurai sword murder spree. That's ridiculous. [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] Probably like someone else said in this thread, dude was showing off his cosplay assets, unsheathed his sword which they asked him about, since they were informed about from the 911 calls, cops instantly went into "it is now necessary to put several bullets through this man" mode, dude got nervous and ran away, cops somehow thought he was just going to go kill someone randomly for some reason at this very moment right now so they "justifiedly" took his life from him.

[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;46665995]But don't forget that Also, I highly doubt he was gonna go on a samurai sword murder spree. That's ridiculous. [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] Probably like someone else said in this thread, dude was showing off his cosplay assets, unsheathed his sword which they asked him about, since they were informed about from the 911 calls, cops instantly went into "it is now necessary to put several bullets through this man" mode, dude got nervous and ran away, cops somehow thought he was just going to go kill someone randomly for some reason at this very moment right now so they "justifiedly" took his life from him.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ. I am rarely gut-wrenched by things, you never think "the good guys" in your area are capable of shit like this until you wake up and smell the coffee that it can happen literally ANYWHERE. We are all human, we all fuck up, but this just is evil human behavior from my point of view. Is it the power that gets to these people's heads?

[QUOTE=BenJammin';46666039]Jesus christ. I am rarely gut-wrenched by things, you never think "the good guys" in your area are capable of shit like this until you wake up and smell the coffee that it can happen literally ANYWHERE. We are all human, we all fuck up, but this just is evil human behavior from my point of view. Is it the power that gets to these people's heads?[/QUOTE] Cops never stopped being your typical human beings. "Normal" people expect everyone of them to be jolly-good chaps that you can rely on making you safe while walking the streets. I never felt safe around the police and they either never helped me once in my life. I'm not a 'community' kind of guy either.

[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;46666079]Cops never stopped being your typical human beings. "Normal" people expect everyone of them to be jolly-good chaps that you can rely on making you safe while walking the streets. I never felt safe around the police and they either never helped me once in my life. I'm not a 'community' kind of guy either.[/QUOTE]Cops should be friendly, especially when they are not dealing with dangerous people. Sociopaths should not be allow in the police force.

Suprises me every thread how everyone says "HE DESERVED IT WHY DID HE CARRY A SWORD, HE DESERVED TO DIE" it's like you guys have no qualms at all about people dying. Some people are stupid yeah, they don't deserve to get shot to death because of that.

American police :D how about stop fucking shootin when the first bullet hits? Americans are disgusting when they try to defend their shit police.

Uhm, they were a awkward cosplayer. I've been to my fair share of cons and there's absolutely nothing that those people do that could be construed as aggressive. [quote]One witness said Hunt appeared to move his hands “like he was laughing” and spoke with one officer for up to 60 seconds[/quote] Okay, so he actually talked to the cops, which a threatening person probably wouldn't be doing [quote]before swinging the sword “very hard” at the second officer, who had just pulled up in a squad car.[/quote] I can only imagine that he gestured to the cop with his sword like an animu samuri. I see no reason why this person would aggressively swing at a cop. Frankly I think the cops just assumed he was threatening because he was black.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;46666566] Frankly I think the cops just assumed he was threatening because he was black.[/QUOTE] Yup, you got it. It's the "all cops are white" and "they go out and try to make excuses to shoot black people"

The real problem here is revealed in [quote]“The officers had to do with what was most immediately available to them — that was their firearms,” Buhman said.[/quote] Tazer or mace or whatever a guy with a sword. Also the police story is bullshit, he wasn't shot and then ran away, ALL of the bullets were fron the back.

The issue is that the cop shot a man by 'mistake' and got away with it.

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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46665353]Every shot was in the back. Regardless of what may or may not have happened first, fleeing from the police does not currently carry the death penalty. It's barely justifiable if the suspect has a firearm. It is indefensible when the suspect has a toy sword. At this point, I'm pretty much incapable of taking anything police say at face value without something to back it up. This country has obvious and systemic problems with police accountability for shootings.[/QUOTE] so all it takes for something to be classified as a toy is for your mother to say it is? he had a sword. a sharp, metal katana style sword. it would have taken him all of 3 seconds to shove it in someone's stomach. if you're a cop and you get a call about someone walking around town with a sword, and you show up and this guy is legitimately just walking around with a sword and then he pulls it out and starts running, you would have to be pretty goddam dumb to not assume that he's either mentally unstable or otherwise a danger to the people around him. most people in law enforcement probably have no concept of what cosplaying is, they see this guy and as trained police officers all they can see is someone who could be a potential threat to them or others. as far as I know they were actually more lenient then they're legally required to be. they arrived on the scene and seen a guy with a deadly weapon and proceeded to interview and question him. the safest thing to do would have been to either draw their weapons or ready themselves to do so and order him to discard the weapon. they chose to give him the benefit of the doubt and put themselves in harms way and still people eat this fucking propaganda up like their life depends on it.

[QUOTE=zombini;46665233]As it's been said in almost every fucking thread about cops here, shooting someone in the leg is a really fucking shitty takedown method. [b]Not only are you risking killing them[/b], you're risking permanent disability, when [b]there's better options.[/b][/QUOTE] ...Like shooting him 6 times in the back. I mean I understand the reason why you would avoid shooting someone in the leg, but the way you worded it just makes it sound really weird. [QUOTE=milkandcooki;46665658]It's a "new thing" because these cases have happened in a very short period of time while the internet had its spotlight on the topic. [editline]7th December 2014[/editline] I was really in support of them a few weeks ago, but the Garner case really proved my (small) skepticisms to be true.[/QUOTE] The Garner case was all caught on film and that meant shit in the end, FYI.

[QUOTE=Killuah;46666971] Tazer or mace or whatever a guy with a sword.[/QUOTE] buahaha are you serious?

Solution: Don't carry around a big-ass sword

regardless of whether or not he swung it (which he apparently didn't), aren't six shots a bit much?