No charges for Utah cops who shot man holding cosplay sword six times in back - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46668057]regardless of whether or not he swung it (which he apparently didn't), aren't six shots a bit much?[/QUOTE] police are trained so that when they have to use deadly force they do not stop firing until the target is completely neutralized.

[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;46665590]but he could have cut the bullets using his sword[/QUOTE] You can't be fucking serious, only weaboos can do that!

[QUOTE=zombays;46667880]Solution: Don't carry around a big-ass sword[/QUOTE] The con's I've gone to that have weapons for sale generally ask you to take the "real" katana or whatever you bought to your car and not to take it out of any packaging. Having a real weapon for your cosplay is stupid regardless how you look at it

[QUOTE=yodaman888;46668420]police are trained so that when they have to use deadly force they do not stop firing until the target is completely neutralized.[/QUOTE] but wouldnt he most likely fall or at least not be a threat anymore after a few shots though? 6 just seems like overkill, especially for someone who didn't have a firearm, though they don't really mention how close he was to anyone else

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46670035]but wouldnt he most likely fall or at least not be a threat anymore after a few shots though? 6 just seems like overkill, especially for someone who didn't have a firearm, though they don't really mention how close he was to anyone else[/QUOTE] Firing six shots from a pistol is pretty quick, and when you are at a convention with man people around you tend to think about the other people who are potentially in danger

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46670097]Firing six shots from a pistol is pretty quick, and when you are at a convention with man people around you tend to think about the other people who are potentially in danger[/QUOTE] i thought they weren't in a convention? i might've just misread the article

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46670035]but wouldnt he most likely fall or at least not be a threat anymore after a few shots though? 6 just seems like overkill, especially for someone who didn't have a firearm, though they don't really mention how close he was to anyone else[/QUOTE] You really can't judge this kind of thing just from the information given. Six rounds from a .50 BMG Barrett? Yeah that's probably overkill. Six rounds from a 9mm handgun? Not really unreasonable without some evidence to the contrary.

It always confuses me how few people seem to understand how police are supposed to handle a situation like this. A police officer's entire job revolves around constantly being in unpredictable and dangerous situations where any wrong move could cost lives. They generally have little to no time to properly evaluate a complex situation before they risk somebody being injured or killed by an insane person, or said insane person up and running away. Just [I]assuming[/I] a strange man with a large sword who swung it around wildly and then [B]ran away from armed police instead of being reasonable and standing down[/B] is going to not hurt anybody in a public space with said sword is idiotic. After it all happened it may have turned out he wasn't a threat to anybody, but we don't actually know that and the police damn sure didn't. The same logic that some people think should be used in these kinds of situations is the logic that allows people to kill cops or other civilians before they get put down. It's not worth the risk, and in almost every story that's been on the news recently the situation can be resolved by the apparently innocent person to just lay down and listen to the cop. When people start listening to the police, they'll stop getting shot for doing something threatening and running away in a public place. Police shout at people to stop and get down on the ground for a reason.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtRgweQxXi8[/media] relevant

Here in Utah, you can legally carry a sword around in public. One of the officers did have a body camera, but was inexperienced and had forgotten to turn it on.

[QUOTE=crazykyle16;46670846]Here in Utah, you can legally carry a sword around in public. One of the officers did have a body camera, but was inexperienced and had forgotten to turn it on.[/QUOTE] Can you legally unsheath it and swing it around? I think that's the key detail here.

[QUOTE=Hervey;46670857]Can you legally unsheath it and swing it around? I think that's the key detail here.[/QUOTE] Witnesses said that it was unsheathed but he didn't swing it around. I don't know about the legality of it being unsheathed.

[QUOTE=crazykyle16;46670865]Witnesses said that it was unsheathed but he didn't swing it around. I don't know about the legality of it being unsheathed.[/QUOTE] Some say he didn't, some say he did. [quote]One witness said Hunt appeared to move his hands “like he was laughing” and spoke with one officer for up to 60 seconds before swinging the sword “very hard” at the second officer, who had just pulled up in a squad car.[/quote] And I can safely assume swinging a sword around would hold no different of a punishment then un-holstering a gun and aiming it at people.

I'd be interested to see the differences between UK police training and US police training in matters like this, because we really rarely have situations with people being killed in confrontations like this. Obviously there's the issue that America has a far far greater population that the UK, but also I think British police officers seem to be more trained around being community assistants, and they're giving more training in talking violent or potentially violent people down

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;46672648]I'd be interested to see the differences between UK police training and US police training in matters like this, because we really rarely have situations with people being killed in confrontations like this. Obviously there's the issue that America has a far far greater population that the UK, but also I think British police officers seem to be more trained around being community assistants, and they're giving more training in talking violent or potentially violent people down[/QUOTE] there's also far less guns in uk. your point?

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46672727]Jesus fuck you people don't even bother do you? Tasers are virtually worthless in all but the absolute ideal circumstances. We've discussed this multiple times now. Tasers are defeated by thick clothing, they only work if both barbs stick, they only work within 10ish yards, they can't be reloaded in time to not get fucked, they only work if the battery is under ideal conditions. Tasers are literally the shittiest of the shit "less than lethal" weapons. Mace is a close second in terms of "how likely am I to get fucked for attempting to defend myself with this".[/QUOTE] I've read that Tasers have had a 60% success rate in the field. You don't count on 60% when lives are on the line.

[QUOTE=Apache249;46673107]I've read that Tasers have had a 60% success rate in the field. You don't count on 60% when lives are on the line.[/QUOTE] Why is it not sucessful 40% of the time? Missing or is it not effective?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46673128]Why is it not sucessful 40% of the time? Missing or is it not effective?[/QUOTE] Like it says a few posts above, nearly anything can stop a Taser. Pizza box, leather jacket, being more than 10 yards away, even being sufficiently determined will negate its effects.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46673128]Why is it not sucessful 40% of the time? Missing or is it not effective?[/QUOTE] If someone's wearing decently thick clothing it's possible the taser just won't penetrate and thus does absolutely nothing. And the possibility of it missing, and if you miss with a taser you don't get another chance.

[QUOTE=_Kent_;46673190]Like it says a few posts above, nearly anything can stop a Taser. Pizza box, leather jacket, being more than 10 yards away, even being sufficiently determined will negate its effects.[/QUOTE] Also having someone who's carrying a sharp objects muscles contract seems like it would end really bad for the person carrying said sharp thing.

[QUOTE=Aksi;46666478]American police :D how about stop fucking shootin when the first bullet hits? Americans are disgusting when they try to defend their shit police.[/QUOTE] You're not really that bright, are you?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46673128]Why is it not sucessful 40% of the time? Missing or is it not effective?[/QUOTE] lots of reasons -is the battery sufficiently charged? -do both/all 3 prongs make contact with the skin? -if only 1 prong makes contact because of missing/loose clothing, are you in danger of using the taser as a proxy source to substitute the second/third prong? -is the suspect on drugs? -did you miss?

Things like this I can't understand why the evidence isn't immediately available for everyone to see. Like the public should have the right to see the sword in question.

[QUOTE=CottonTM;46673869]Things like this I can't understand why the evidence isn't immediately available for everyone to see. Like the public should have the right to see the sword in question.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title1/7mdoj.htm#1-7.111[/url]

[QUOTE=Korova;46665216]Can't shoot him in the leg and restrain him? These aren't exactly amateurs.[/QUOTE] it's actually hilarious how many people say this along with 'why didnt the cops shoot their tires out?'

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;46672708]there's also far less guns in uk. your point?[/QUOTE] you are really defensive I don't get why saying that American police officers should be trained more in community support is a bad thing regardless of this story, it's pretty clear there's a big gap of trust between the American public and it's police force, which isn't the case in England

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;46665237]Lets shoot a moving target that is roughly 4-6 inches wide, from standing, while you try to determine if someone is going to attempt to kill you or other, all within the space of half a second.[/QUOTE] Don't become a cop if you can't handle that.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46674912]Don't become a cop if you can't handle that.[/QUOTE] jesus christ stop posting

Wouldn't one shot have neutralized him as a threat though? or maybe Im just a silly liberal who thinks that sometimes lifes can be saved from the use of unecessary ammount of force, dunno.

[QUOTE=usaokay;46665126]Steps unclear. I'm Asian. Please excuse me while I go off to eat baked fish with rice while doing my math homework; all while seeing everything with cinematic black bars.[/QUOTE] Wait U DOCTAH YET?