Guys, it's not about whether they want to do wear it or not, it's about having the ability to change their minds, and for the ones who [I][B]DONT[/B][/I] want to wear it, not wearing it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;40163133]i support muslim womens rights to air their opinions freely because feminism is about discourse :)[/QUOTE]
Wow, you've actually said something I can agree with today. Yay.
[editline]4th April 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40164986']"i'm going to ignore the second half of that post, which I quoted, and the follow up to that post, in which the guy admits that he was wrong."
-you[/QUOTE]
Pandora doesn't go back in the box, bro.
[QUOTE=draugur;40165222]
Pandora doesn't go back in the box, bro.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make sense. I admitted I was wrong. What more do you want?
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40165304']That doesn't make sense. I admitted I was wrong. What more do you want?[/QUOTE]
A strongly apologetic letter to the mayor.
I have a feeling that these counter protests were done in a response to the Tunisian femen protestor becoming arrested for being shirtless.
I can confidently say I have no problems with women flashing their tits to promote feminism.
[QUOTE=draugur;40165222]Wow, you've actually said something I can agree with today. Yay.
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good im happy to have not disappointed you today
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40162734]No western country requires women to dress like this through law at threat of death.[/QUOTE]
France, however [i]does[/i] forbid women from dressing like that, or else face arrest. Personally, I just don't think western countries should meddle in what women choose to wear. (Or not wear). :v:
Honestly I think they're all idiots. Nobody civilized ends up covering up women completely for shames sake or encourages them to run around naked for whatever reason. It's stupid. We live in a western society where we wear moderate amounts of clothing for modesty's sake, not because we want to protest the world, which is honestly what both sides are doing. Honestly protesting about the world could say a lot about religion, but that's another story entirely.
[QUOTE=FrankOfArabia;40166158]Honestly I think they're all idiots. Nobody civilized ends up covering up women completely for shames sake or encourages them to run around naked for whatever reason. It's stupid. We live in a western society where we wear moderate amounts of clothing for modesty's sake, not because we want to protest the world, which is honestly what both sides are doing. Honestly protesting about the world could say a lot about religion, but that's another story entirely.[/QUOTE]
having difficult to understand or beliefs that seem unconventional or illogical to you makes people idiots
neat
[QUOTE=Paper Monkey;40165925]France, however [I]does[/I] forbid women from dressing like that, or else face arrest. Personally, I just don't think western countries should meddle in what women choose to wear. (Or not wear). :v:[/QUOTE]
They don't forbid women from wearing a niqāb, they just forbid things that cover the face entirely, which just happens to include niqābs. (In public)
It's not sexist in any way, but it is still a dumb law.
[QUOTE=barttool;40164954]how is 'hotness' related to any of the stuff this article mentions/what we're discussing? Why post that here?[/QUOTE]
I was reading a discussion on the first page about the differing societies and clothes/no clothes, so I put my two cents in.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;40164597]Who's "we"? There's no deciding factor when it comes to equatable human rights, you have them from birth.
Anything less that total unbiased equality between men and women is absolutely absurd, and any infringement upon said rights should simply be bypassed or ignored by any woman who finds feels her equatable rights are being infringed upon.[/QUOTE]
'We' meaning [I]someone[/I] has to decide what those human rights are.
Human rights don't exist in pure nature, you know. He never said anything about 'We' not including women.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;40166462]having difficult to understand or beliefs that seem unconventional or illogical to you makes people idiots
neat[/QUOTE]
Perhaps I should streak through the National Mall or Times Square and call myself a paragon of tolerance or non-convention. Is that what you're saying? There's nothing hard to understand here except why people like you blindly side with anything to do with understanding someone else's point of view when they clearly have a perspective that's skewed with a lack of reason.
She's missing the point, you should be able to choose whatever you wear, if that's a burka or nothing at all, so be it. Obviously someone who wants to do what's currently accepted will not care much for the opposer.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40162424]SH is going to have an aneurysm over which side to support.[/QUOTE]
Why bother thinking about it, support them both!
If a muslim woman wants to show me her tits i'll happily support her cause
LIBERATION FOR ALL
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40162424]SH is going to have an aneurysm over which side to support.[/QUOTE]
SH has spoken:
[QUOTE=laserguided;40162463]Nudity v. Religion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=lNloruzenchi;40162429]i'm just appalled at the use of hashtags with handwriting[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Antdawg;40162647]not entirely relevant but the thread reminded me of this
[img]http://thebaochi.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/cartoon.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
The difference is the woman in the bikini has a choice.
Yeah a lot of the time that is the distinction between the two. Choice.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40162734]No western country requires women to dress like this through law at threat of death.[/QUOTE]
You should just shut up if you don't know what you're talking about, mate.
It isn't a death penalty to not dress like this. In any middle eastern state you are allowed to take the burka off (and the abaya), the law will do jack shit to you. It's just the culture itself.
That isn't the case with Saudi Arabia and Iran, however, but it is in NO way death penalty.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;40168840]Yeah a lot of the time that is the distinction between the two. Choice.[/QUOTE]
Well im sure wearing the burqa is still a choice, just a lot of the time the women don't have a choice because they are brought up in a society that stones you to death if you choose not to wear it.
Yeah and even in less oppressive societies male members of their household may pressure them into compliance.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;40162647]not entirely relevant but the thread reminded me of this
[img]http://thebaochi.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/cartoon.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
So I have spoken with a saudi arabian girl on facebook recently
[img]http://i.imgur.com/6SaVsMM.png[/img]
She also said she's got to wear it just in the street and public places for both genders. In women places and in the house she can wear whatever she want.
well gee, that one girl who feels comfortable wearing something that she's been raised since birth to think is the norm sure proves that the burka is fine
Its not like that pressure doesn't exist on the otherside as well. In Western cultural, there are often heavy social stigmas put on women who don't put themselves out as sex objects and choose to be more modest. Same as in their society, men here feel they have a right or entitlement to sex, and here more than there do men actively encourage the sexualization of women. Look at how much television, movies, games, magazines, just about everything tries to push this image of the thin, buxom sex goddess.
Look at this recent commercial if you want a quick example:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A74cIbQdJk[/media]
It spends more time on the woman than the car the commercial is suppose to be selling.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40169019]well gee, that one girl who feels comfortable wearing something that she's been raised since birth to think is the norm sure proves that the burka is fine[/QUOTE]
what is the "norm" anyway?...
if she wasn't beaten into wearing it and generally doesn't want to walk round in a plain shirt, jumper, trousers or skirt then I see no reason why we should encourage her to wear other stuff.
[QUOTE=tr00per7;40169053]what is the "norm" anyway?...
if she wasn't beaten into wearing it and generally doesn't want to walk round in a plain shirt, jumper, trousers or skirt then I see no reason why we should encourage her to wear other stuff.[/QUOTE]
the norm is wearing what you want without social or cultural pressure. do you seriously think muslim women aren't pressured into dressing the way they do? take a look at how way back when in the days when everyone was pretty extremist christian the way women were forced to dress, it's exactly the same as that
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40169075]the norm is wearing what you want without social or cultural pressure. do you seriously think muslim women aren't pressured into dressing the way they do? take a look at how way back when in the days when everyone was pretty extremist christian the way women were forced to dress, it's exactly the same as that[/QUOTE]
Yes, I said in an earlier post that most muslim women are forced into it.
But you didnt sound like you were proposing any sought of solution, just ban the burqa and ignore the fact that there would still be father-male dominated muslim familys and couples going on so not much change would happen.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40169019]well gee, that one girl who feels comfortable wearing something that she's been raised since birth to think is the norm sure proves that the burka is fine[/QUOTE]
Great understanding of culture, mon.
They DO know what is the norm in this side of the world, some just aren't bothered by the fact that they have to wear abaya + niquab in public places. Some even feel safe with it. Some think 'it's okay because of my religion', and not 'not ok because of patriarchal society'. Ever heard of arab women in our side of the world refusing to follow our dress code?
You know, in this side of the world our culture,religion and institutions make us think 'wow poor women forced to wear that thing, they are oppressed and cry 24/7 because of this.' While the reality is some (I know a sample of 1 isn't convincing, but face they exist) doesn't mind at all. There are way worse problems women have in there anyway.
The picture was because last time I said about a dialogue of mine with a girl from palestine people called bullshit.
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