I think the UK is completely fine as it is. I've never seen a real gun in my life that hasn't been in a display case, so I'd feel pretty uneasy if they suddenly started popping up as a regular household item, especially with some of the nutcases about here.
What the shit kind of a poll is this?
Retarded options, and there isn't any "none of the above" option?
"Bourgeoisie want flat tax and hand guns"
[QUOTE=SataniX;40852466]It's not, it's the Daily Telegraph. Slightly right-wing so naturally a little more likely to support guns (although 80% seems unusually high.)[/QUOTE]
I think the way the poll is worded is a factor.
If it was like:
UNBAN GUNS: Y/N you'd get a more accurate result (if just for the Daily Telegraph readers)
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40852309]Still, this poll does say alot. How can anybody support a ban on guns? If you criminalize weapons only criminals will have weapons. Criminals and the helpful police.[/QUOTE]
Okay lets imagine things your way, all gun bans are repealed.
Firearms begin being imported wholesale and factories spring up.
Will the criminals get more guns or less as a direct result?
[QUOTE=Tea;40852460]after current events i don't think we should be asking the general public's opinion on anything until things calm down[/QUOTE]
yeah everyone's gone all EDL all of a sudden idk where all the sensible people went in the past week
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40852309]Still, this poll does say alot. How can anybody support a ban on guns? If you criminalize weapons only criminals will have weapons. Criminals and the helpful police.[/QUOTE]
Sort of a catch 22. Only criminals will have guns because having one makes you a criminal.
Guns aren't shit.
People are shit.
Guns will not remove criminals, it'll do the opposite, there'll be paranoid people popping other's off for 'looking at them' and perceiving hostility if they're legalized... there's enough aggressive cunts out there who would probably pull a piece at every opportunity if they had one to pull.
Unlike america we haven't had 'gun responsibility' embedded in our culture for years already, so I'm sure people would shoot first and ask questions when it's too late - not fully thinking about what their actions fully entailed.
Not only that, but here in the UK, most people have a closed-minded, hate-riddled scarcity mentality as standard, it wouldn't go well.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;40852295]idk about you but i like the harsh gun laws here in Australia and i'd imagine it'd be on par with the UK
I always feel safe whenever I'm walking home, going to school, going into the city and etc i dont ever feel like i'll be involved in some drive by or have a gun pointed to my head
sorry for the unpopular opinion[/QUOTE]
I don't feel unsafe either.
To be fair, Americans are allowed firearms largely because of tradition rather than any real pressing need.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40852309]Still, this poll does say alot. How can anybody support a ban on guns? If you criminalize weapons only criminals will have weapons. Criminals and the helpful police.[/QUOTE]
That's irrelevant - because they would still have (easier) access to the gun if they were legal anyway. A ban will never completely remove guns - but at least the general public wont have easy access to them. And that is a good thing - because for the most part the general public cannot be trusted with them.
[QUOTE=Lethaxx;40852513]Sort of a catch 22. Only criminals will have guns because having one makes you a criminal.[/QUOTE]
When people say in regards to Britain, only criminals have guns, it's generally implied that the people who are criminals because they own guns are exempt from the being a criminal part, that usage for genuine crime is what is being talked about.
I'm live in Northern Ireland and handguns are still legal, and apart from paramilitaries, (which in most cases blow shit up) there is barely any gun crime
This'd be fucking idiotic if it went ahead.
[QUOTE=Cone;40852495]yeah everyone's gone all EDL all of a sudden idk where all the sensible people went in the past week[/QUOTE]
People have kinda lost their heads.
Sure, it's the Torygraph so it's not representative of widespread public opinion ...
but it's not [I]that[/I] far distant. The Telegraph-readers are hardly a fringe demographic, they're firmly in the centre-right mainstream of politics. If repeal of the handgun ban is this popular among rank-and-file Tories then it stands a decent chance of getting somewhere.
The problem mostly lies within people's attitude and behaviour towards guns. I mean, if you own a gun (don't care if it's a pistol/rifle/rocket launcher) for christ's sake put it in a gun safe.
[QUOTE=Vasili;40852373]From what I understand you'd still need a license, what's stopping you right now going out and buying a revolver or a rifle? Both options are open but the ability to purchase a semi-automatic handgun makes that significantly more dangerous?[/QUOTE]
Good point with the rifle, though as far as I'm aware only single shot pistols are allowed.
[QUOTE=uber.;40852610]The problem mostly lies within people's attitude and behaviour towards guns. I mean, if you own a gun (don't care if it's a pistol/rifle/rocket launcher) for christ's sake put it in a gun safe.[/QUOTE]
what good will it being locked in a gun safe do you if someone breaks into your house and you have less than a minute to prepare to defend yourself
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40852598]Sure, it's the Torygraph so it's not representative of widespread public opinion ...
but it's not [I]that[/I] far distant. The Telegraph-readers are hardly a fringe demographic, they're firmly in the centre-right mainstream of politics. If repeal of the handgun ban is this popular among rank-and-file Tories then it stands a decent chance of getting somewhere.[/QUOTE]
Maybe the lords will shoot it down.
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[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40852633]what good will it being locked in a gun safe do you if someone breaks into your house and you have less than a minute to prepare to defend yourself[/QUOTE]
The chances of a child finding my gun are probably more than that of a druggie breaking in to slit my throat.
Maybe keep it unloaded in a high place, and the bullets in another suitable location.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40852633]what good will it being locked in a gun safe do you if someone breaks into your house and you have less than a minute to prepare to defend yourself[/QUOTE]
You're right, its much better to leave it around in its case, unlocked, in your home, where your children can get to it at any time of the day.
That's worked wonders before.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40852633]what good will it being locked in a gun safe do you if someone breaks into your house and you have less than a minute to prepare to defend yourself[/QUOTE]
More people die, or have family members killed by an unlocked gun than are protected by boogiemen breaking through the window.
[QUOTE=Riutet;40852380]I would support a repeal of the gun ban, there is a lot gun crime around where I live, criminals always manage to get a hold of guns, yet you aren't allowed a gun to defend yourself from them.
I'd consider it evening the the playing field for non-criminals.[/QUOTE]
Until an arms race occurs.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40852633]what good will it being locked in a gun safe do you if someone breaks into your house and you have less than a minute to prepare to defend yourself[/QUOTE]
Keep the safe in your room, have have a keypad lock you know the code for, 5 seconds to get from your bed to your safe, 10 seconds to open it, 10 seconds to get the gun out and pop in a mag, 35 seconds to don your cape and think up something catchy to say when you surprise the guy.
With the increasing rise in gun crime with illegal handguns, I for one would like to see handguns unbanned provided the appropriate systems for weapon licences, tracking, sale and their usage are put in place.
For example self-defence laws should be adjusted to account for them.
Self-defence laws here in the UK are shit anyway, would be a good excuse to overhaul them.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40852309]If you criminalize weapons only criminals will have weapons. [/QUOTE]
nice little quip, pity alliteration doesn't equate to fact.
guns not being legal equals less gun stores buying guns.
less gun stores (hopefully none) means less demand.
less demand means less supply.
that means less guns will be being manufactured.
that means guns are harder for the black market to obtain.
that means even when they do obtain them, they will be far fewer.
that also means they will cost a lot more.
which in turn, means exorbitant black market prices.
still think any criminal will just be able to get a gun, just because they want one?
but sure, go on ahead thinking 'if i can't get one legally, criminals will be able to get one illegally!!' if that's easier for you to understand. it's still wrong though.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;40852295]idk about you but i like the harsh gun laws here in Australia and i'd imagine it'd be on par with the UK
I always feel safe whenever I'm walking home, going to school, going into the city and etc i dont ever feel like i'll be involved in some drive by or have a gun pointed to my head
sorry for the unpopular opinion[/QUOTE]
I agree, the thought of being stabbed in some of the shadier parts of the country is worrying enough as it is.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40852523]Guns aren't shit.
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hammers were made to hit nails. chainsaws are made to cut trees. guns were made to kill humans as easily as possible (and from a distance). remind me how they're not shit again.
The last thing I would think of if someone broke into my house would be "damn, I wish I had a gun so I could shoot this guy." But I'm Australian, not even the criminals here like guns apparently, what with gun regulation actually working and all.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;40852728]hammers were made to hit nails. chainsaws are made to cut trees. guns were made to kill humans as easily as possible (and from a distance). remind me how they're not shit again.[/QUOTE]
can't agree more
I hate that stupid "guns don't kill people people kill people" because hey, guess what guns are made for? killing.
whether you choose to kill animals or people or simply shoot targets, the gun is made to kill. Its intended purpose is to kill at a distance.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;40852681]nice little quip, pity alliteration doesn't equate to fact.
guns not being legal equals less gun stores buying guns.
less gun stores (hopefully none) means less demand.
less demand means less supply.
that means less guns will be being manufactured.
that means guns are harder for the black market to obtain.
that means even when they do obtain them, they will be far fewer.
that also means they will cost a lot more.
which in turn, means exorbitant black market prices.
still think any criminal will just be able to get a gun, just because they want one?
but sure, go on ahead thinking 'if i can't get one legally, criminals will be able to get one illegally!!' if that's easier for you to understand. it's still wrong though.[/QUOTE]
Why does everyone who makes this argument completely forget how easy it is to smuggle in guns. I would say most of the guns in the US used to commit crimes have had their serial numbers filed off and are illegal as fuck.
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