Britain wants its guns back - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Falchion;40852281]Sad that they feel unsafe.[/QUOTE] I don't think it has anything to do with safety (after all, self defense with a firearm would still be illegal). I think the problem is that the law is a complete blanket ban on [B]any[/B] pistol, even our Olympic shooting team has to go elsewhere to train.. [editline]31st May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;40852309]Still, this poll does say alot. How can anybody support a ban on guns? If you criminalize weapons only criminals will have weapons. Criminals and the helpful police.[/QUOTE] Completely irrelevant, repealing parts of the 1997 firearms act wouldn't suddenly give people in the UK the right to carry or use firearms in defense. [editline]31st May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Negrul1;40852428]I REALLY doubt that's representative of the entire population. I don't know anyone who wants guns unbanned.[/QUOTE] In the nicest way possible and without drawing a massive generalisation, the sort of people who were affected by the handgun ban are more than likely telegraph readers.

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;40852950]Why does everyone who makes this argument completely forget how easy it is to smuggle in guns. I would say most of the guns in the US used to commit crimes have had their serial numbers filed off and are illegal as fuck.[/QUOTE] What if most countries were adhering to the same guns laws?

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;40852950]Why does everyone who makes this argument completely forget how easy it is to smuggle in guns.[/QUOTE] so let's ban them everywhere.

It's a poll from the telegraph. If it was a poll from the daily mail there'd probably be a unanimous vote to get rid of all the blacks.

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[QUOTE=Rusty100;40852681]nice little quip, pity alliteration doesn't equate to fact. guns not being legal equals less gun stores buying guns. less gun stores (hopefully none) means less demand. less demand means less supply. that means less guns will be being manufactured. that means guns are harder for the black market to obtain. that means even when they do obtain them, they will be far fewer. that also means they will cost a lot more. which in turn, means exorbitant black market prices. still think any criminal will just be able to get a gun, just because they want one? but sure, go on ahead thinking 'if i can't get one legally, criminals will be able to get one illegally!!' if that's easier for you to understand. it's still wrong though.[/QUOTE] thomas carlyle once said "Teach a parrot the terms 'supply and demand' and you've got an economist." all you're saying is that prohibition of guns increases the price, duh we all know that the fact remains that when you criminalize guns, then the only (civilian) people that will have guns will be criminals, by definition. this is a vast power imbalance favoring the criminal versus the law-abiding. however with legalized guns, law-abiding citizens can buy guns to defend themselves against criminals. yes - this does mean that criminals will find it easier to get guns. but if you knew more about economics than supply/demand buzzwords, you'd know that the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility]marginal gain[/url] from "no guns" to "defensive guns" for law-abiding folk is much greater than the gain from "expensive illegal guns" to "less expensive guns, (legal or otherwise)" for criminals.

In the United States I would be fine with strict gun laws. But I'm afraid its too late. Not only is it ingrained in patriot culture, its also ingrained in crime/gang culture. The United States passed the point of no return. For now and forever guns will always be plentiful, and banning guns will just put innocents in greater danger. The United Kingdom still has a chance to not fuck itself forever.

[QUOTE=PieClock;40852475]I think the UK is completely fine as it is. I've never seen a real gun in my life that hasn't been in a display case, so I'd feel pretty uneasy if they suddenly started popping up as a regular household item, especially with some of the nutcases about here.[/QUOTE] Just out of curiosity have you never seen an armed police officer, or are you just not counting that? I agree though, other than what I mentioned I have never seen a "real" (not counting deactivated) gun outside of a display case; and that's with knowing people who own firearms.

if the US had a mandatory gun buy back scheme i guess it could work but even so, people would bury their guns or hide them which you have to expect it happened with Australia's gun laws, but there's only so much ammo in your possession that you'll go through anyway so what's the use

Shit questions, no "these are shit questions" answer. Wake of a massive national uproar. Torygraph readers want handguns or less taxes. This is surprising and a valid representation of the UK as a whole, how?

Unban Rocket Propelled Grenades while you're at it.

[QUOTE=Jsm;40853046]Just out of curiosity have you never seen an armed police officer, or are you just not counting that? I agree though, other than what I mentioned I have never seen a "real" (not counting deactivated) gun outside of a display case; and that's with knowing people who own firearms.[/QUOTE] how come UK police don't normally carry a firearm? In Australia all kind of police force do (just a standard 9mm glock that's all) but they're ordered to use their tasers first and if that doesn't work, draw the gun and aim for the heart.

if people want protection they should have the goverment repeal the ban on self defense weaponry eg: stun guns tasers and pepper spray etc instead

I get the feeling this poll was mostly used by a bunch of retarded, autistic knuckle dragging EDL skinheads. Because honestly, after 24 years of living here i refuse to believe 90% of people here want legal firearms, for the most part hell, we seem to look down to America's culture of firearms which ya know, causes a shitstorm pretty much at every opportunity that arises.

please don't let chavs have guns, we'll all be dead by the weekend

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40852728]hammers were made to hit nails. chainsaws are made to cut trees. guns were made to kill humans as easily as possible (and from a distance). remind me how they're not shit again.[/QUOTE] Believe it or not some people use them for recreation (oh my god how can you shoot guns for recreation), the same way how you would use bows and arrows for recreation. Oh I forgot those were also made to kill people my bad!!! Banning guns outright makes current gun owners angry for taking away their hobby but makes citizens happy. Proper regulations don't sway their mood and it makes citizens happy too because they know it's harder to get them even though they're still there.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;40853084]how come UK police don't normally carry a firearm? In Australia all kind of police force do (just a standard 9mm glock that's all) but they're ordered to use their tasers first and if that doesn't work, draw the gun and aim for the heart.[/QUOTE] Honestly I don't know, I have always wondered. It just seems to work though. The only places that might really require armed officers are like built up cities and they usually have enough armed response vehicles that it isn't an issue. Some police forces here are giving all their officers tasers though, which might be a sign of the times.

I believe guns should be allowed to citizens but it takes some EXTREME paperwork. The Netherlands already has this, as far as I know. To own a gun, you need to be member of a shooting club for over a year, using guns able for hire. Hiring itself is already expensive. If you're member for a year, you may fill some more papers to apply for a license, each gun is under its own category. Rifles are allowed but ONLY if they're semi-auto and can't be full-auto. You must be clear of mind and you must not have a criminal record what-so-ever. And still that whole drama with Tristan v.d. Vlis happened. He managed to slip through the screening and acquired some full-auto rifles through the black market... Please don't quote me on the things I've said I've done some very minor research if I'm wrong anywhere please correct me.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40852991]so let's ban them everywhere.[/QUOTE] Hahaha that's a good one dude you had me for a second. Oh wait, you were serious?

Plus I think the government should put some heavy percentage taxes on purchasing a weapon, like 15% or something. It'd be a good source of income to the national treasury.

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;40853044]In the United States I would be fine with strict gun laws. But I'm afraid its too late. Not only is it ingrained in patriot culture, its also ingrained in crime/gang culture. The United States passed the point of no return. For now and forever guns will always be plentiful, and banning guns will just put innocents in greater danger. The United Kingdom still has a chance to not fuck itself forever.[/QUOTE]I have a friend in Britain who was robbed at gunpoint and shot in the leg a few years ago... Not sure why you seem to think gun bans are working over there.

[QUOTE=Chaplin;40852804]can't agree more I hate that stupid "guns don't kill people people kill people" because hey, guess what guns are made for? killing. whether you choose to kill animals or people or simply shoot targets, the gun is made to kill. Its intended purpose is to kill at a distance.[/QUOTE] People kill people. That's actually the reality. A gun doesn't have a mind of it's own. It cannot put bullets into a magazine, it cannot load said magazine and cock the mechanism to chamber a round. It does not have the ability to click off it's own safety, and nor does it carry the ability to put three to four pounds of force on a trigger to fire. So yes. People kill people. [editline]31st May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;40852991]so let's ban them everywhere.[/QUOTE] And then eradicate all forms of knowledge of the existence of firearms, and hope someone doesn't figure out how to recreate them.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40853246]People kill people. That's actually the reality. A gun doesn't have a mind of it's own. It cannot put bullets into a magazine, it cannot load said magazine and cock the mechanism to chamber a round. It does not have the ability to click off it's own safety, and nor does it carry the ability to put three to four pounds of force on a trigger to fire. So yes. People kill people.[/QUOTE] while common this isn't an especially strong argument for gun legalization since it proves too much people kill people but I don't want nuclear weapons or nanofactories widely available

80 percent of brits? I doubt that many even answered the damn poll. It's the Torygraph, bound to have some "libertarian" morons wanting more "freedom" reading it

I agree, I'm just stating that his statement was pretty bad. As of the moment I don't see anything wrong with the UK's current handgun laws. In most parts of the UK you leave your handgun at a shooting club and it's pretty locked down for the most part. Other then that, if I remember correctly, you can purchase just about any handgun, in any caliber.

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;40853180]Hahaha that's a good one dude you had me for a second. Oh wait, you were serious?[/QUOTE] why not? why not take some steps toward making the world a better place, instead of allowing it to continue to gestate in it's current state? it's not going to happen overnight but it's a future investment. it's better to try than to do nothing but of course, aiming to restrict guns worldwide would never be achieved in your lifetime, so why bother if it doesn't benefit you! right?

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40852728]hammers were made to hit nails. chainsaws are made to cut trees. guns were made to kill humans as easily as possible (and from a distance). remind me how they're not shit again.[/QUOTE] Did you know a gun has a hammer in it? Saying what you said is undervaluing what more it can do as it's function to simply hit and a chainsaw to simply cut. A gun is to discharge a projectile. I'm not trying to beat around the bush or something but just because they can kill humans easier than other tools used as weapons, ie to use [b]anything[/b] to defend or attack someone with doesn't make them shit. Maybe if you used the correct terminology in such cases like this you will see that a gun can prevent and subdue harm without even pulling the trigger.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40853297]why not? why not take some steps toward making the world a better place, instead of allowing it to continue to gestate in it's current state? it's not going to happen overnight but it's a future investment. it's better to try than to do nothing but of course, aiming to restrict guns worldwide would never be achieved in your lifetime, so why bother if it doesn't benefit you! right?[/QUOTE] You can stop putting words in my mouth. I'm all for making the world a better place but do you honest to god think that the gun industry would willingly let you do that. I can tell you're not from America, come to the country and ask any big bubba how they'd feel if you tried to take their guns. Go for it if you want to throw in US into a civil war because honestly that's what's going to happen when you try to take their guns away. Let's not forget the reason the founding fathers put the right to bear arms in the constitution was to protect against tyrannical gov't that they were escaping. Good luck to the president while the mass gun taking away happens too, because it would be political suicide.

Less people dying is good, handgun ban is good. It's as simple as that really.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40853297]why not? why not take some steps toward making the world a better place, instead of allowing it to continue to gestate in it's current state? it's not going to happen overnight but it's a future investment. it's better to try than to do nothing but of course, aiming to restrict guns worldwide would never be achieved in your lifetime, so why bother if it doesn't benefit you! right?[/QUOTE] because it doesn't actually fix anything. people hate people, only thing that changes that is making people actually enjoy each others company. stealing someones property in the names of "hur safety" is not going to make people anymore friendly then they already are.