Britain wants its guns back - Polidicks

I must be retarded getting myself into a gun debate.

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chavvies with guns instead of knives? no thanks

[QUOTE=a203xi;40853213]I have a friend in Britain who was robbed at gunpoint and shot in the leg a few years ago... Not sure why you seem to think gun bans are working over there.[/QUOTE] Because gun crime is fucking infinitesimal, "MY FRIEND WAS SHOT ONCE!" Isn't a fucking argument for arming the masses. It's a complete knee jerk reaction to the that dead soldier, it's a fucking shame he's dead, but I wouldn't feel even remotely safe if people were allowed to just buy a handgun over here.

I feel uncomfortable knowing half the guys around me have a gun that could be used to shoot me dead. Europa is giving the US weird eyes when we keep hearing about shootings and gun related accidents, no need to follow them in this stupid path.

[QUOTE=sYnced;40853374]bAN spitting 2.59%[/QUOTE] I actually wish that was a law at points. Spit in a garbage can you shmucks.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40853297]why not? why not take some steps toward making the world a better place, instead of allowing it to continue to gestate in it's current state? it's not going to happen overnight but it's a future investment. it's better to try than to do nothing but of course, aiming to restrict guns worldwide would never be achieved in your lifetime, so why bother if it doesn't benefit you! right?[/QUOTE] taking away property does not improve quality of life especially in the long term I will agree there are a lot of people who have guns who don't need them but don't pretend guns are the thing holding society back or anywhere near a significant contributor to low quality of life

If Britain did what Canada does (10 Hour safety course just to use a non-resistricted firearm) then this could be okay. However if it ends up with retards buying handguns for self defense then they will likely be banned again.

I think citizens should be allowed to own guns as they please. I don't know, it must be because I'm an American. I'm not a fan of the "One person ruins it for all" thing. For example, the shootings here in America shouldn't cause gun bans for those who use guns for hunting, sport, etc. I really don't see a problem with Britain wanting guns back, or at least just handguns. I think it'll do the country good.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40853355]because it doesn't actually fix anything. people hate people, only thing that changes that is making people actually enjoy each others company. stealing someones property in the names of "hur safety" is not going to make people anymore friendly then they already are.[/QUOTE] that's not the fuckin point. the point is that we should make it less easy to kill eachother. once we get that out of the way we can focus on the bigger problems

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40853391]I actually wish that was a law at points. Spit in a garbage can you shmucks.[/QUOTE] Spitting is considered a form of battery in USA at least

To all the people saying home defense, crossbows are still legal btw. Personally, i think they should stay banned, or have a MASSIVE amount of training/background checks to get them. I don't fancy chavs running around with them.

[QUOTE=wakeboarderCWB;40853437]I think citizens should be allowed to own guns as they please. I don't know, it must be because I'm an American. I'm not a fan of the "One person ruins it for all" thing. For example, the shootings here in America shouldn't cause gun bans for those who use guns for hunting, sport, etc. I really don't see a problem with Britain wanting guns back, or at least just handguns. I think it'll do the country good.[/QUOTE] You can still use guns for hunting and sports (shooting ranges), you just need permits and have to keep your guns there for the latter.

[QUOTE=Killzone(Dylan);40852558]I'm live in Northern Ireland and handguns are still legal, and apart from paramilitaries, (which in most cases blow shit up) there is barely any gun crime[/QUOTE] Wait They are? Jeez, I've never heard or seen one in my life.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40853438]that's not the fuckin point. the point is that we should make it less easy to kill eachother. once we get that out of the way we can focus on the bigger problems[/QUOTE] people can survive bullets just as they can survive blunt trauma. unless the bullet hits something vital(ie. something incrediably vital) your chances of survival are pretty up there. also why can't we just focus on the larger problems first? in the case of the united states, the income gap which actually leads people into crime and to have disputes with their fellow man.

[QUOTE=a203xi;40853213]I have a friend in Britain who was robbed at gunpoint and shot in the leg a few years ago... Not sure why you seem to think gun bans are working over there.[/QUOTE] Note how this rarely happens.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;40852295]idk about you but i like the harsh gun laws here in Australia and i'd imagine it'd be on par with the UK I always feel safe whenever I'm walking home, going to school, going into the city and etc i dont ever feel like i'll be involved in some drive by or have a gun pointed to my head sorry for the unpopular opinion[/QUOTE] I live in america, and i never feel like i'm going to have a gun pointed to my head or be in a drive by. You guys act like people go on killing sprees daily over here

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40853468]people can survive bullets just as they can survive blunt trauma. unless the bullet hits something vital(ie. something incrediably vital) your chances of survival are pretty up there. [/QUOTE] the thing is that it's more difficult to give a person blunt force trauma than it is to just shoot them from a greater distance. [editline]1st June 2013[/editline] at the end of the day, there is already proof that gun bans work. look at australia. i don't know how you can just deny the answer when it's right in your face. it works. i get that the gun culture in america is deeper ingrained, which is why the same measures should be put into place at a slower rate.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40853492]the thing is that it's more difficult to give a person blunt force trauma than it is to just shoot them from a greater distance. at the end of the day, there is already proof that gun bans work. look at australia. i don't know how you can just deny the answer when it's right in your face. it works. i get that the gun culture in america is deeper ingrained, which is why the same measures should be put into place at a slower rate.[/QUOTE] and at greater distances velocities tend to die down to a certain degree. increasing the chance of survival from a bullet wound. iirc a facepunch member actually got shot from a trailing bullet from a hunter in a nearby field. hit him directly in the leg. guy was fine aside from a few stitches. i won't deny they work in australia(aside from certain groups switching to automatic machine pistols), but my issue is when it comes to the states, myself[and many others] don't really want to have these types of laws pushed on us. the way current gun buybacks work are pretty criminal in certain respects. you aren't refunded completely for your firearm, and are usually ripped off to quiet the degree.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;40852295]idk about you but i like the harsh gun laws here in Australia and i'd imagine it'd be on par with the UK I always feel safe whenever I'm walking home, going to school, going into the city and etc i dont ever feel like i'll be involved in some drive by or have a gun pointed to my head sorry for the unpopular opinion[/QUOTE] Well... people in the US feel the same way. It's all environmental. Most all Americans grow up and die without ever seeing gun violence, so they don't feel unsafe with gun ownership. Just like Europeans and Australians live and die without being a part of gun violence, so they also feel their way works.

[QUOTE=Killzone(Dylan);40852558]I'm live in Northern Ireland and handguns are still legal, and apart from paramilitaries, (which in most cases blow shit up) there is barely any gun crime[/QUOTE] it's not as restrictive as the rest of the UK but they're not [i]that[/i] different, you still have to prove you have a good reason to have one. you can say there's barely any gun crime but when compared with the rest of the UK, there's still 2x-10x the amount of gun homicides per 100k people. there's also a higher rate of handgun suicide. (the rates in both northern ireland and the rest of the UK combined are still a tiny fraction of the USA rate) looks to me like more guns available/less relaxed gun laws = more crimes involving guns.

Everyone is talking as if all guns are illegal, it is extremely easy to own a rifle or shotgun. You just join a gun club, most takes 6months to become a full member and until then you use club guns. Or you get written permission from a landowner to shoot on their land which is instant. After you've got one of those you go to your local station and get the form there to apply for a firearms license which you fill in and hand back. An officer will come to your house to check you have a gun cabinet secured to the wall or floor and a seperate safe to keep the ammo in then you are allowed to own as many rifles or shotguns as you want. The things that are flatout banned are fully automatic weapons and guns with a barrel shorter than 30cm or a total length shorter than 60cm. Semi-auto rifles are only allowed to be .22 and must be Rimfire not centrefire. Personally I agree with the ban on smaller sized firearms, makes it very hard to sneak a gun anywhere and people who like shooting can still do it.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;40853549]Well... people in the US feel the same way. It's all environmental. Most all Americans grow up and die without ever seeing gun violence, so they don't feel unsafe with gun ownership. Just like Europeans and Australians live and die without being a part of gun violence, so they also feel their way works.[/QUOTE] Except with the former you're 3-6 times more likely to experience it.

The ban as it is is currently is good. I don't understand why anyone want's to walk around with a handgun on them, especially in a town/city.

[QUOTE=Afrika;40853568]Except with the former you're 3-6 times more likely to experience it.[/QUOTE] That's not really the point though. Americans aren't going to want a gun ban unless they feel unsafe, which they don't. And they probably won't anytime in the near future with murder rates dropping regardless of legal guns. The wider assortment of media is the only thing that can change that.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Gun control is one of the few things our government does right, it would be shame if they ballsed that up too.

[QUOTE]During the year to June 2012 there were approximately 29,613 recorded offences involving knives or other sharp instruments[/QUOTE] Well, we definitely need guns aswell.

[QUOTE=georgeface;40853676]Well, we definitely need guns aswell.[/QUOTE] what contributes an "offence" because I bet they're lumping in something trivial into that total

[QUOTE=Scrappa;40853563]Everyone is talking as if all guns are illegal, it is extremely easy to own a rifle or shotgun. You just join a gun club, most takes 6months to become a full member and until then you use club guns. Or you get written permission from a landowner to shoot on their land which is instant. After you've got one of those you go to your local station and get the form there to apply for a firearms license which you fill in and hand back. An officer will come to your house to check you have a gun cabinet secured to the wall or floor and a seperate safe to keep the ammo in then you are allowed to own as many rifles or shotguns as you want. The things that are flatout banned are fully automatic weapons and guns with a barrel shorter than 30cm or a total length shorter than 60cm. Semi-auto rifles are only allowed to be .22 and must be Rimfire not centrefire. Personally I agree with the ban on smaller sized firearms, makes it very hard to sneak a gun anywhere and people who like shooting can still do it.[/QUOTE] disregarding the impossibility of getting such a weapon into the country in the first place - does that make a weapon like an M95 legal?

[QUOTE=Sir Spicy Buns;40853485]I live in america, and i never feel like i'm going to have a gun pointed to my head or be in a drive by. You guys act like people go on killing sprees daily over here[/QUOTE] I grew up in south Chicago, they have a higher gun related death rate than Afghanistan. Yet I could ride my bike around as a kid I never felt too scared unless it got dark. Leave it to people who haven't even been to your country to tell us what our country is like lmfao.