[QUOTE=Daemon;40853349]Did you know a gun has a hammer in it? Saying what you said is undervaluing what more it can do as it's function to simply hit and a chainsaw to simply cut. A gun is to discharge a projectile. I'm not trying to beat around the bush or something but just because they can kill humans easier than other tools used as weapons, ie to use [b]anything[/b] to defend or attack someone with doesn't make them shit. Maybe if you used the correct terminology in such cases like this you will see that a gun can prevent and subdue harm without even pulling the trigger.[/QUOTE]
What is it about this you imbeciles don't understand. Yes, you can use things other than guns to kill other humans, well done, gold star. However, the primary function of a fire arm is as you so expertly pointed out is to discharge a projectile. Guess where the projectile is intended to go. You got it, into someone.
Therefore, we can adequately deduce that the point of a gun in the end is to do serious damage to other human beings. You can't use it as a kitchen implement, you'd be an idiot to use it in the same capacity as a hammer. All a firearm is for is for the threat of violence.
And this argument - [I]"Yeah but all I want to do is target shooting!"[/I]. What is target shooting practice for? You won't catch me using my knives, or hammers, or any other objects that "could as easily kill people" to damage targets.
[QUOTE=Matriax;40853825]What is it about this you imbeciles don't understand. Yes, you can use things other than guns to kill other humans, well done, gold star. However, the primary function of a fire arm is as you so expertly pointed out is to discharge a projectile. Guess where the projectile is intended to go. You got it, into someone.
Therefore, we can adequately deduce that the point of a gun in the end is to do serious damage to other human beings. You can't use it as a kitchen implement, you'd be an idiot to use it in the same capacity as a hammer. All a firearm is for is for the threat of violence.
And this argument - [I]"Yeah but all I want to do is target shooting!"[/I]. What is target shooting practice for? You won't catch me using my knives, or hammers, or any other objects that "could as easily kill people" to damage targets.[/QUOTE]
THE REASON WE HAVE GUNS IN AMERICA IS TO PROTECT OURSELVES IN CASE THE GOV'T GOES BATSHIT CRAZY LIKE YOU BRITS DID IN THE 1600S. THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TARGET SHOOTING.
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[QUOTE=Atlascore;40853853]For fun...? Gun shooting is a hobby just like any other.
Since bows & crossbows were designed to kill people, should we ban those too and punish people that enjoy using them as a hobby?[/QUOTE]
Which is why you are able to own guns as a sports shooter here, it's just considered a bit of an obscure sport as very few people care for it over here.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;40853867]THE REASON WE HAVE GUNS IN AMERICA IS TO PROTECT OURSELVES IN CASE THE GOV'T GOES BATSHIT CRAZY LIKE YOU BRITS DID IN THE 1600S. THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TARGET SHOOTING.
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There is no worldwide corralation between firearm ownership and democracy. At all. Think about that for a few minutes.
Why don't we just fucking abolish all of the constitution while we're at it guys. I mean fuck it why stop at one rule when we can just say 'fuck you' to the entire document.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;40853707]what contributes an "offence"
because I bet they're lumping in something trivial into that total[/QUOTE]
They probably do but it seems quite realistic, however the article also says that only 4,490 people were admitted to hospital due to assault from sharp objects/instruments. But still if we have bad knife crime I don't see how hand guns can help at all, the incidents in which a gun might be needed are so few and far between that it isn't necessary to endanger loads of people and watch crime rocket because of an isolated incident.
I'd understand more and possibly agree if there was terrorist acts and unprovoked fatal violence every week but there isn't. So we don't need guns.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;40853909]Why don't we just fucking abolish all of the constitution while we're at it guys. I mean fuck it why stop at one rule when we can just say 'fuck you' to the entire document.[/QUOTE]
Prohibition used to be on the constitution. It gets changed.
As a document its practically worthless. It was no more useful at stopping the Patriot's Act or guantanamo bay than your firearms were.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;40853714]disregarding the impossibility of getting such a weapon into the country in the first place - does that make a weapon like an M95 legal?[/QUOTE]
Yes it's legal, there's a .50 Club of GB with like 1800 members all who own different .50 rifles.
[QUOTE=Afrika;40853905]There is no worldwide corralation between firearm ownership and democracy. At all. Think about that for a few minutes.[/QUOTE]
And no correlation exists to provide that someone owning a firearm is going to cause more incidents of violence.
Patriot's act was passed because 'lol terrrism' and it was easy to convince the dumbass general population that we needed it. You people seems to forget we have the south here. The south does not give a flying fuck what your reason is, you're not getting their guns. The south is convinced any sort of gun regulation is some twisted conspiracy. So tell me, how in the hell are you going to get around that problem?
If that soldier had a gun he wouldn't have got ran over.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;40853982]Patriot's act was passed because 'lol terrrism' and it was easy to convince the dumbass general population that we needed it. You people seems to forget we have the south here. The south does not give a flying fuck what your reason is, you're not getting their guns. The south is convinced any sort of gun regulation is some twisted conspiracy. So tell me, how in the hell are you going to get around that problem?[/QUOTE]
Time and patience.
Gun ownership has been steadily falling. They're just not as sexy any more.
Oh interesting fact, all men in Britain were required to practice archery on Sunday this is the law saying that everyone had to have a bow and arrow
[QUOTE]CAP. IX. An Act for the Maintenance of Artillery, and debarring unlawful Games. "RECITAL of Stats. 3 H.8.c.3. & 6 H.8.c.2. Several new devised Games the "Cause of the Decay of Archery. - All Men under the Age of sixty Years "shall have Bows and Arrows for shooting. Men-Children between Seven "Years and Seventeen shall have a Bow and 2 Shafts. Men about Seventeen "Years of Age shall keep a Bow and 4 Arrows - Penalty 6s.8d."
S1,2,3. "Shooting at Rovers. Shooting in Yew-bows. The Inhabitants of every Town "shall cut Butts and shoot at them."
S4. "Common Bows shall be made of "Elm, Ash, &c."
S5. Repealed 8 Eliz.c.10.s.6. "The prices of the several "Sorts of Bows."
S6. Repealed 8 El.c.10.s.6. "Sale of Seasonable Timber "by one Fletcher to another."
S7. "Bowyers and Fletchers, &c. not free "of London, shall upon Commandment dwell elsewhere."
S8. "Aliens shall "not convey Bows or Arrows beyond the Sea."
S9. "Aliens shall not use "shooting in Long-bows; Penalty forfeiture of Bows."
S10.[/QUOTE]
This law was only repealed by the Betting and Gaming Act (1960 c.60).
The more you know.
my family owns a shitload of guns because guns are cool, and fun to shoot. it's like trading baseball cards. but baseball cards can't kill you and other people. we go to the range and shoot sometimes, lots of fun to be had.
and yes i live in the south
[QUOTE=Afrika;40854006]Time and patience.
Gun ownership has been steadily falling. They're just not as sexy any more.[/QUOTE]
Time and patience is what you're going to need a lot of when trying to explain to bubba that his guns are now illegal. You brits make me laugh so hard at how clueless you are to the South's love of guns,
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;40853982]Patriot's act was passed because 'lol terrrism' and it was easy to convince the dumbass general population that we needed it. You people seems to forget we have the south here. The south does not give a flying fuck what your reason is, you're not getting their guns. The south is convinced any sort of gun regulation is some twisted conspiracy. So tell me, how in the hell are you going to get around that problem?[/QUOTE]
Dude, it's a known fact that everyone in the south needs guns, they "need guns to love Jesus and kill all the queerosexuals in the Lord's name" That's why your Patriot's act was passed, jeez.
[QUOTE=georgeface;40853926]They probably do but it seems quite realistic, however the article also says that only 4,490 people were admitted to hospital due to assault from sharp objects/instruments. But still if we have bad knife crime I don't see how hand guns can help at all, the incidents in which a gun might be needed are so few and far between that it isn't necessary to endanger loads of people and watch crime rocket because of an isolated incident.
I'd understand more and possibly agree if there was terrorist acts and unprovoked fatal violence every week but there isn't. So we don't need guns.[/QUOTE]
oh definitely, people are overreacting as usual
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;40854042]Time and patience is what you're going to need a lot of when trying to explain to bubba that his guns are now illegal. You brits make me laugh so hard at how clueless you are to the South's love of guns,[/QUOTE]
Your argument falls apart when you stop relying on rhetoric and metaphor.
[QUOTE=Afrika;40854084]Your argument falls apart when you stop relying on rhetoric and metaphor.[/QUOTE]
Taking. Guns. Away. From. Southerners. Will. Get. You. Killed.
What I'm saying is you have never been to the south and you have no clue how willing they are to defend their morals and beliefs. Call it their culture if you will, guns are a part of US culture it's not easy to just take something like that away, you'd face serious opposition.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;40853853]For fun...? Gun shooting is a hobby just like any other.
Since bows & crossbows were designed to kill people, should we ban those too and punish people that enjoy using them as a hobby?[/QUOTE]
It is a hell of a lot harder to conceal a bow and arrow down the front of your trousers than it is a handgun.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;40853909]Why don't we just fucking abolish all of the constitution while we're at it guys. I mean fuck it why stop at one rule when we can just say 'fuck you' to the entire document.[/QUOTE]
ive been saying this for years
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[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40853956]And no correlation exists to provide that someone owning a firearm is going to cause more incidents of violence.[/QUOTE]
i'm pretty sure such a correlation does exist
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40854115]ive been saying this for years
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i'm pretty sure such a correlation does exist[/QUOTE]
There might be a correlation between firearms and gun crime, although I personally couldn't provide a source for that, but there is certainly not a correlation between firearm ownership and incidents of violence.
I work in an occupation where guns could end my career and my life quite easily in the hands of the wrong person.
I live in a county that heavily supports conceal carry. Many...many people CCW in this county. I encounter law abiding people carrying firearms on a daily basis and interact with them.
I do not feel 'unsafe'. I know a majority of those with firearms are law abiding and responsible people that mean no harm to all but those who try to harm them seriously.
The only people I would feel unsafe around are the unknowns. That unknown threat. Which puts me always cautious, but not in a total state of feeling unsafe 24/7 simply because there are firearms around...
So. People continue to think it's just the gun causing the problem. If this were the case, where were all the mass school shootings, mass shootings on the scale of today, and other active shooter problems and scenarios...similar to today, back when you or I could run to the local Sears and pick up a BAR and a Thompson? Or hell, even other military equipment for that matter.
[QUOTE=georgeface;40854016]Oh interesting fact, all men in Britain were required to practice archery on Sunday this is the law saying that everyone had to have a bow and arrow
This law was only repealed by the Betting and Gaming Act (1960 c.60).
The more you know.[/QUOTE]
....The more you know.. what?
Because Britain had a law that said we should practice using bows and arrows every Sunday, (clearly some sort of throwback to hundreds of years ago when we were constantly under attack), only repealed in 1960.... means that... what? What is your point?
[QUOTE=Matriax;40854206]....The more you know.. what?
Because Britain had a law that said we should practice using bows and arrows every Sunday, (clearly some sort of throwback to hundreds of years ago when we were constantly under attack), only repealed in 1960.... means that... what? What is your point?[/QUOTE]
it's interesting
[QUOTE=Matriax;40854206]....The more you know.. what?
Because Britain had a law that said we should practice using bows and arrows every Sunday, (clearly some sort of throwback to hundreds of years ago when we were constantly under attack), only repealed in 1960.... means that... what? What is your point?[/QUOTE]
No real point, I was just saying.
Handguns would be the worst type of gun for the public to own since they can be easily concealed
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;40853867]THE REASON WE HAVE GUNS IN AMERICA IS TO PROTECT OURSELVES IN CASE THE GOV'T GOES BATSHIT CRAZY LIKE YOU BRITS DID IN THE 1600S. THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TARGET SHOOTING.
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Because when you are starting an armed uprising against the Government, your biggest hurdle is a law which stops you from using guns - right?
"Sorry Jim - we can't use guns in our revolution because the law wont let us."
You American FPers have to know the difference between your country and other countries. I'm referring to those who say that it'll work in other countries. It might in some, it might not.
Look at my country, Singapore, its got a very big ban on anything close to a gun, and yet we hardly have any crime.
But the US is different, you guys have guns for god knows how long. Getting rid of guns from every single one of those gun owners will be impossible, hence a ban is stupid, for you guys.
But I'm not too sure about UK because some of em still use hunting rifles and etc.
[QUOTE=shian;40854452]You American FPers have to know the difference between your country and other countries. I'm referring to those who say that it'll work in other countries. It might in some, it might not.
Look at my country, Singapore, its got a very big ban on anything close to a gun, and yet we hardly have any crime.
But the US is different, you guys have guns for god knows how long. Getting rid of guns from every single one of those gun owners will be impossible, hence a ban is stupid, for you guys.
But I'm not too sure about UK because some of em still use hunting rifles and etc.[/QUOTE]
For the most part the UK is like Singapore and the Government and Police are very touchy over the subject. You can own and fire guns legally, but there a lot of checks involved and it is not a simple process. And in all honesty - I think that is perfect. People can still enjoy shooting as a sport - but guns are rightly restricted to people who are using them for sporting purposes and who have shown that they are responsible and knowledgeable about handling and storing the firearms.
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