Britain wants its guns back - Polidicks

[QUOTE=shian;40854452]You American FPers have to know the difference between your country and other countries. I'm referring to those who say that it'll work in other countries. It might in some, it might not. Look at my country, Singapore, its got a very big ban on anything close to a gun, and yet we hardly have any crime. But the US is different, you guys have guns for god knows how long. Getting rid of guns from every single one of those gun owners will be impossible, hence a ban is stupid, for you guys. But I'm not too sure about UK because some of em still use hunting rifles and etc.[/QUOTE] the US is unique because guns are not just present, but part of their culture - fetishised even - a full gun ban would make very little impact here in the UK, upsetting a small portion of the population and changing nothing

[QUOTE=Matriax;40853825]What is it about this you imbeciles don't understand. Yes, you can use things other than guns to kill other humans, well done, gold star. However, the primary function of a fire arm is as you so expertly pointed out is to discharge a projectile. Guess where the projectile is intended to go. You got it, into someone. Therefore, we can adequately deduce that the point of a gun in the end is to do serious damage to other human beings. You can't use it as a kitchen implement, you'd be an idiot to use it in the same capacity as a hammer. All a firearm is for is for the threat of violence.[/QUOTE] How did you come to the conclusion that the point of a gun is for doing serious damage to others on the intent of where the projectile is destined to go (where the person decides to shoot it) - like you said above, which might not be at anyone? [QUOTE=Matriax;40853825]And this argument - [I]"Yeah but all I want to do is target shooting!"[/I]. What is target shooting practice for? You won't catch me using my knives, or hammers, or any other objects that "could as easily kill people" to damage targets.[/QUOTE] Practice your aim with a gun.

[QUOTE=Daemon;40854688]How did you come to the conclusion that the point of a gun is for doing serious damage to others when the intent of the projectile is destined to go where the person decides to shoot it - like you said above, which might not be at anyone? Practice your aim with a gun.[/QUOTE] How is this a difficult concept to grasp? A gun is expressly designed to kill, whether it be an animal or human being it is designed to kill shit with the greatest possible ease, why should we allow the masses to have that sort of power? There's nothing to stop someone from just passing all the background checks, getting their gun, then opening their window and shooting from it. Why would you give that sort of power to people. It "works" for the US, I don't give a fuck but I draw the line when pricks like the members of the EDL can have a gun in their fucking hands.

I don't think giving chavs access to guns is a particularly bright idea...

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40854728]How is this a difficult concept to grasp? A gun is expressly designed to kill, whether it be an animal or human being it is designed to kill shit with the greatest possible ease, why should we allow the masses to have that sort of power? There's nothing to stop someone from just passing all the background checks, getting their gun, then opening their window and shooting from it. Why would you give that sort of power to people. It "works" for the US, I don't give a fuck but I draw the line when pricks like the members of the EDL can have a gun in their fucking hands.[/QUOTE] I don't want guns in Britain and i wasn't talking to you.

[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;40854004]If that soldier had a gun he wouldn't have got ran over.[/QUOTE] Traffic fatalities are still way above gun related homicides, there's some real food for thought. It's not the object, it's the idiot using it.

[QUOTE=Daemon;40854688]How did you come to the conclusion that the point of a gun is for doing serious damage to others when the intent of the projectile is destined to go where the person decides to shoot it - like you said above, which might not be at anyone? Practice your aim with a gun.[/QUOTE] A gun is a weapon. That is not an opinion, it's fact. Weapons exist to do damage to both animals and people in the most effective and efficient way possible. If you're using a gun to open bottle caps or switch off the TV or even if you're just firing it into the fucking sky then you are not using it for its intended purpose.

I live in the west country, and everyone and their mums is packing. Probably 3/4 of the people I know own some kind of fire arm, especially shotguns for birds and then a few people with rifles for bigger game - pretty much everyone has got an air rifle for pest control/fun. Then there are a few people (obviously a minority) who have hand guns readily available to them. Changing the law will only mean that more people get handguns, if you want to shoot someone, there isn't huge difficulty with the current law. Obviously the argument is for 'self defence' when the muslims rise up and try to kill more soldiers but all that'd achieve is you'd have a gun on you when you die, and who's that gonna help? Background checks wouldn't count for shit either, once guns are in circulation (which they are now anyway) then people can get guns, there is literally zero point in changing the law - except the government would have a better idea of who had handguns (assuming EVERYONE got them legally)

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;40854863]Traffic fatalities are still way above gun related homicides, there's some real food for thought. It's not the object, it's the idiot using it.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/516d780becad04664300000c-590/in-2015-it-is-projected-that-for-the-first-time-in-decades-more-people-will-die-by-guns-than-by-motor-vehicles.jpg[/IMG] food for thought

Just curious, was that bow and arrow law in Britain ever actually enforced, or was it just one of those laws that was made hundreds of years ago that nobody repeals or enforces? [editline]31st May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Afrika;40855017][IMG]http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/516d780becad04664300000c-590/in-2015-it-is-projected-that-for-the-first-time-in-decades-more-people-will-die-by-guns-than-by-motor-vehicles.jpg[/IMG] food for thought[/QUOTE] Where did you get that? Gun homicide has been going down for decades over here, and gun control laws have been both up and down in that time. [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story[/url] [quote]The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Tuesday. Gun crimes that weren’t fatal fell by 69%. [/quote]

[QUOTE=_Kent_;40855037]Where did you get that? Gun homicide has been going down for decades over here.[/QUOTE] *per capita But not overall. It makes sense really with population growth. The issue is not with that, but with the whole well cars kill X amount of people argument.

[QUOTE=Rufia;40854935]A gun is a weapon. That is not an opinion, it's fact. Weapons exist to do damage to both animals and people in the most effective and efficient way possible. If you're using a gun to open bottle caps or switch off the TV or even if you're just firing it into the fucking sky then you are not using it for its intended purpose.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it only become a weapon on the basis that you use it against someone?

[QUOTE=Daemon;40855095]Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it only become a weapon on the basis that you use it against someone?[/QUOTE] Is a sword only a weapon if the business end is sticking in someone?

[QUOTE=_Kent_;40855037]Just curious, was that bow and arrow law in Britain ever actually enforced, or was it just one of those laws that was made hundreds of years ago that nobody repeals or enforces?[/QUOTE] The latter, I think Chester still has the law but you'd definitely get arrested for doing it today, even if the person you shot was actually Welsh. I'm a Welshman, so I'd still probably be a little nervous if I ever went there.

[QUOTE=Afrika;40855071]*per capita But not overall. It makes sense really with population growth. The issue is not with that, but with the whole well cars kill X amount of people argument.[/QUOTE] I would not expect 39% decrease in gun related killings per capita due to simple population growth, and a 69% decrease in non fatal gun crime. I am not saying that Britain should change anything, I am just saying that the U.S. is doing all right with what we have now, so no need to inspire unrest in a massive portion of the population with a gun ban of any sort.

[QUOTE=_Kent_;40855108]I am not saying that Britain should change anything, I am just saying that the U.S. is doing all right with what we have now, so no need to inspire unrest in a massive portion of the population with a gun ban of any sort.[/QUOTE] Well yes. But that entirely depends on what your definition on 'doing fine' is. [img]http://abcnews.go.com/images/International/homocides_g8_countries_640x360_wmain.jpg[/img] [img]http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/516dd26c6bb3f7c165000006-590/in-contrast-the-us-has-a-gun-homicide-rate-of-3-per-100000--six-times-as-large-as-canada-23-times-as-large-as-australia-43-times-as-large-as-the-uk-and-more-than-300-times-as-large-as-japan.jpg[/img]

Gun Death =/= Overall Violent Crime

If its a question of safety people should only have guns on their private property. They should be locked away in storage and during transit. With these laws should come harsher punishments for illicit gun carrying though.

[QUOTE=Midas22;40855169]If its a question of safety people should only have guns on their private property. They should be locked away in storage and during transit.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much a law in most states already. Guns cannot be loaded when transferred via automobile, and usually you have to have them in a container of sorts.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40855162]Gun Death =/= Overall Violent Crime[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone really disputes that firearm ownership is contributing factor in america's highly inflated homicide rate. But yes, the UK has a far higher violent crime rate than the US.

Ugh I'd rather not, don't want to get shot by some idiot with a gun thanks.

[QUOTE=Afrika;40855196]I don't think anyone really disputes that firearm ownership is contributing factor in america's highly inflated homicide rate. But yes, the UK has a far higher violent crime rate than the US.[/QUOTE] I thought that was because of the UK's definition of violent crime? We include literally every form of violence into a violent crime whereas America defines it only as the most serious of violence. I could be wrong though

Horrific idea, will never ever be passed Sometimes I wish like gun ranges were legal so I could own a badass rifle and go target shooting. But the thought of more guns circulating around estates... no thanks...

People focus too much on firearm ownership and not enough on the mentality of the people around them. I live in Texas and feel perfectly fine walking down the street. Too much irrational fear of guns is brought into gun debates. Less feelings more factual evidence.

[QUOTE=icemaz;40855234]I thought that was because of the UK's definition of violent crime? We include literally every form of violence into a violent crime whereas America defines it only as the most serious of violence. I could be wrong though[/QUOTE] I don't know exactly, I know that even threatening someone over the phone with violence is counted. But I would still wager that the UK is still the more 'violent' country generally.

As much as I'd love to have a gun for backyard tin can shooting, I don't think this would be a great idea.

[QUOTE=Afrika;40855196]But yes, the UK has a far higher violent crime rate than the US.[/QUOTE] what the fuck no we don't [editline]31st May 2013[/editline] it's difficult to compare "violent crime" rates since laws change by country, but even looking qualitatively, the UK does not have an equivalent of Detroit [editline]31st May 2013[/editline] except maybe glasgow

[QUOTE=Afrika;40855017][IMG]http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/516d780becad04664300000c-590/in-2015-it-is-projected-that-for-the-first-time-in-decades-more-people-will-die-by-guns-than-by-motor-vehicles.jpg[/IMG] food for thought[/QUOTE] That chart shows firearm deaths are about average while automotive deaths have been falling, including a sharp drop after 2007. That doesn't prove anything about guns, it just shows vehicles are becoming safer.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;40855370]That chart shows firearm deaths are about average while automotive deaths have been falling, including a sharp drop after 2007. That doesn't prove anything about guns, it just shows vehicles are becoming safer.[/QUOTE] Not to mention the rate is variating and they just draw a straight line as soon as they're going in a direction they want it to.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;40855370]That chart shows firearm deaths are about average while automotive deaths have been falling, including a sharp drop after 2007. That doesn't prove anything about guns, it just shows vehicles are becoming safer.[/QUOTE] It still proves the 'lol cars's argument is stupid handwavium. If anything its an argument for regulation, like the car industry and road laws.