Britain wants its guns back - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Afrika;40855103]Is a sword only a weapon if the business end is sticking in someone?[/QUOTE] So then you agree that we should ban swords and non-kitchen knives, as those are weapons? [QUOTE=Afrika;40855149]Well yes. But that entirely depends on what your definition on 'doing fine' is. [img]http://abcnews.go.com/images/International/homocides_g8_countries_640x360_wmain.jpg[/img] [img]http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/516dd26c6bb3f7c165000006-590/in-contrast-the-us-has-a-gun-homicide-rate-of-3-per-100000--six-times-as-large-as-canada-23-times-as-large-as-australia-43-times-as-large-as-the-uk-and-more-than-300-times-as-large-as-japan.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Yes, our country has severe social issues. Banning guns isn't going to magically solve that. [QUOTE=Afrika;40855435]It still proves the 'lol cars's argument is stupid handwavium. If anything its an argument for regulation, like the car industry and road laws.[/QUOTE] I can't argue against regulation if it's reasonable. Most regulation arguments are not reasonable though. It's either "ban everything" or "ban scary looking guns".

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40852309]Still, this poll does say alot. How can anybody support a ban on guns? If you criminalize weapons only criminals will have weapons. Criminals and the helpful police.[/QUOTE] And when you legalize them, criminals and future criminals will have an easier way to have access to them. Of course other people will too. I just wonder how fast you can draw a gun. Because the person who wants to shoot you most likely already have his gun drawn.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;40853017]this is actually quite good [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pOiOhxujsE[/media] [/QUOTE] This is probably one of the weakest and most cringe-worthy segments I've seen on the daily show in quite some time. Normally I like the daily show because they substantiate their facts and are humorous about it, but this whole video was just tripe. They shamelessly cherry-picked their talking points akin to fox news, sensationalized the concept of mass shootings, and completely neglected to mention the other factors involved in the popularity and unpopularity of Australian gun legislation. It was a crap segment.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;40853853] Since bows & crossbows were designed to kill people, should we ban those too and punish people that enjoy using them as a hobby?[/QUOTE] oh for fucks sake not this fucking argument AGAIN

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;40855753]oh for fucks sake not this fucking argument AGAIN[/QUOTE] I don't see how it lacks validity. People propose banning of all items designed to harm, person points out bows and crossbows were designed to harm. ??? Banning all devices that can cause purposeful harm is logistically impossible and the principle of doing it is just outright dumb.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;40855820]I don't see how it lacks validity. People propose banning of all items designed to harm, person points out bows and crossbows were designed to harm. ??? Banning all devices that can cause purposeful harm is logistically impossible and the principle of doing it is just outright dumb.[/QUOTE] the argument isn't as simple as 'ban things that cause harm' it's that guns are exceptionally effective at causing harm, and exceptionally easy to use to cause harm guns and bows is the most fucking stupid comparison

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;40855781]One of the benefits of CC is that it poses a passive threat to any aggressor. Someone who has had a gun pointed at th might not have time to pull out their own, but someone across the street might.[/QUOTE] That [U]could[/U] start a chain reaction of people shooting each other though...

To put it bluntly, the Second Amendment has made firearms part of American Culture. But I'd really hate to see anything similar happen in Canada or the UK. Our governments suck, yes, but they're still accountable to the people to a greater degree than the US government is.

Britain doesn't want its guns back, they don't even want their cops to be armed.

[QUOTE=archangel125;40856037]To put it bluntly, the Second Amendment has made firearms part of American Culture. But I'd really hate to see anything similar happen in Canada or the UK. Our governments suck, yes, but they're still accountable to the people to a greater degree than the US government is.[/QUOTE] I like the system there is in Denmark. You are allowed to have one, it has to be locked up, you need to be member of a club to get a license, you must show that you use it, and you can only use it at a shooting range. (That is what I have gotten told about it.) There are of course different rules for hunting.

[QUOTE=Scrappa;40853563]Everyone is talking as if all guns are illegal, it is extremely easy to own a rifle or shotgun. You just join a gun club, most takes 6months to become a full member and until then you use club guns. Or you get written permission from a landowner to shoot on their land which is instant. After you've got one of those you go to your local station and get the form there to apply for a firearms license which you fill in and hand back. An officer will come to your house to check you have a gun cabinet secured to the wall or floor and a seperate safe to keep the ammo in then you are allowed to own as many rifles or shotguns as you want. The things that are flatout banned are fully automatic weapons and guns with a barrel shorter than 30cm or a total length shorter than 60cm. Semi-auto rifles are only allowed to be .22 and must be Rimfire not centrefire. Personally I agree with the ban on smaller sized firearms, makes it very hard to sneak a gun anywhere and people who like shooting can still do it.[/QUOTE] How can you consider this easy?? Here in Texas, you just go to the gunstore, pick whatever firearm you want, fill out a short background check form, and pay the man behind the counter.

[QUOTE=Scrappa;40853563]Everyone is talking as if all guns are illegal, it is extremely easy to own a rifle or shotgun. You just join a gun club, most takes 6months to become a full member and until then you use club guns. Or you get written permission from a landowner to shoot on their land which is instant. After you've got one of those you go to your local station and get the form there to apply for a firearms license which you fill in and hand back. An officer will come to your house to check you have a gun cabinet secured to the wall or floor and a seperate safe to keep the ammo in then you are allowed to own as many rifles or shotguns as you want. The things that are flatout banned are fully automatic weapons and guns with a barrel shorter than 30cm or a total length shorter than 60cm. Semi-auto rifles are only allowed to be .22 and must be Rimfire not centrefire. Personally I agree with the ban on smaller sized firearms, makes it very hard to sneak a gun anywhere and people who like shooting can still do it.[/QUOTE] This is going off track a bit but the people who go to gun clubs live in well off / sheltered lives, often living in the countryside away from the major population and of course, council estates. The very idea that people from the latter background possibly having legal access to a firearm is frankly terrifying, thats where gun crime would rise imo.

I've always felt safe and will continue to without guns being everywhere. Can't believe people thought the subject of guns was more important than the other selections.

hey want to know how to never kill anyone with a gun never carry a gun Same thing with never losing at gambling how surprising

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;40856468]This is going off track a bit but the people who go to gun clubs live in well off / sheltered lives, often living in the countryside away from the major population and of course, council estates. The very idea that people from the latter background possibly having legal access to a firearm is frankly terrifying, thats where gun crime would rise imo.[/QUOTE] If guns were introduced to my area the murder rates would fucking skyrocket. People attack and beat each other on the street for any fucking reason as it is. I'd love for people to come see how my area is and still feel the need to argue that guns should be allowed, you would have to be downright crazy or trolling.

[QUOTE=Afrika;40855149]entirely depends on what your definition on 'doing fine' is.[/QUOTE] Mine is most definitely NO DATA

[QUOTE=Rusty100;40853438]that's not the fuckin point. the point is that we should make it less easy to kill eachother. once we get that out of the way we can focus on the bigger problems[/QUOTE] bigger problems such as making sure our children don't drown in pools and making sure people buckle up and stop texting while driving, as well as stopping people from smoking and eating shitty foods because if you want to increase the quality of life and lifespan of everybody there are much, much bigger fish to fry than gun violence (or just violence in general, this includes all murders, not just by shooting) [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate[/url] [editline]31st May 2013[/editline] i wish people were as passionate about helping to end suicides as they were the gun violence debate, because then maybe we could get some real good done

I really think we need this as it protects us from the vicious ladybird or the deadly blue tit. The most deadliest creature in the UK is the adder and I have never seen one in the wild. If they did bring guns back legally it would completely destroy a lot of societies, we have problems with stabbing and gang attacks. Making guns more openly available would create more horrific incidences like school shootings. I am not saying that everyone with a gun would go out and kill loads of people but it would end up being the 10% of people that don't use common sense or just make life shitty for everyone else.

Why has this gone from "Should guns be legalised in the UK" to "Should guns be banned in the US"?

Ehh, maybe if we kept our current system where it's pretty strict but with the inclusion of handguns. I'm fairly pro-gun for a Brit but I appreciate we'll never have it like America.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;40858600]Why has this gone from "Should guns be legalised in the UK" to "Should guns be banned in the US"?[/QUOTE] because UK gun politics are less interesting

haha lowest gun homicide rate and now you want that to increase, good job imbecile telegraph readers.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;40852295]idk about you but i like the harsh gun laws here in Australia and i'd imagine it'd be on par with the UK I always feel safe whenever I'm walking home, going to school, going into the city and etc i dont ever feel like i'll be involved in some drive by or have a gun pointed to my head sorry for the unpopular opinion[/QUOTE] Guns are regulated, but legal here. I still feel safe.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;40852295]idk about you but i like the harsh gun laws here in Australia and i'd imagine it'd be on par with the UK I always feel safe whenever I'm walking home, going to school, going into the city and etc i dont ever feel like i'll be involved in some drive by or have a gun pointed to my head sorry for the unpopular opinion[/QUOTE] I live in the US and feel the same exact way. About feeling safe that is. Not about strict gun laws.

I can understand a gun for self defense or leisurely activities but they uk has had guns banned for ages now, Why do we need them back?

[QUOTE=AK'z;40859341]haha lowest gun homicide rate and now you want that to increase, good job imbecile telegraph readers.[/QUOTE] The goal of any law that restricts certain items in the name of "public safety" should be to decrease violent crime. Not just stopping crimes with that item.

[QUOTE=DigitalySane;40859670]I can understand a gun for self defense or leisurely activities but they uk has had guns banned for ages now, Why do we need them back?[/QUOTE] They're not entirely banned per se. Competitive pistol shooting is a big part of target shooting so I suppose that counts as a leisurely activity.

Ya' wanna know something funny about a lot of US Gun Homicides 30 years ago? At least in the late 80's early 90's it was related to Crack, the crack boom, and gang violence brought on by a gap between the poor and everyone else economically, especially in inner cities, hence Urban Decay and Stagnation. Crack is cheap to produce, easy to sell. People start selling it, drug hierarchies (Low level dealers vs the head honcho sort of thing) are introduced, turf wars start and gangs get big. Gangs became part of the inner city life, the part of the city that Middle class avoid. Compton in LA for example. There's where a lot of murders in the US stem from. It's the gang violence. We need to curb that before any other action is taken. Banning guns isn't going to stop that.

[QUOTE=Matriax;40852409]One of the main reasons I like this country is that I know that not every twerp with an opinion has access to firearms. I suspect that'll never change, but this a worrying statistic. People are fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] I have an opinion and a gun but I don't remember going on a massacre lately [editline]1st June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;40853438]that's not the fuckin point. the point is that we should make it less easy to kill eachother. once we get that out of the way we can focus on the bigger problems[/QUOTE] time and time again you prove that you're an idiot when it comes to gun legislation.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40852293]This is fucking retarded, 2 dumb cunts kill a soldier and suddenly every fucking dumbass and their mum thinks they need a gun.[/QUOTE] Just like America only reversed, a few people go on a shooting spree and now people are calling for the ban of guns.