• China to US: Cut the defence budget, live within your means, stop letting politics take the global e
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The US is a [I]military[/I] superpower. Force for force no other military can do what the US military can do. Economic superpower? Well, I suck at economics so I really don't know.
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;31570537]The US is a [I]military[/I] superpower. Force for force no other military can do what the US military can do. Economic superpower? Well, I suck at economics so I really don't know.[/QUOTE] the us is economic superpower as well, although in the next 5-10 years china is supposed to surpass us
[QUOTE=ManningQB18;31570179]Wikipedia was proven to be about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica, it's only popular stuff that you can't trust, like Justin Beiber and My Little Pony stuff.[/QUOTE] Even when an article isn't reliable it's almost always something really obvious like someone's just put "obama is gay lmao nigger nigger nigger" in the middle of it
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;31570537]The US is a [I]military[/I] superpower. Force for force no other military can do what the US military can do. Economic superpower? Well, I suck at economics so I really don't know.[/QUOTE] The Americans have certainly built up an [i]image[/i] of military superiority. As for their capability to successfully conduct major conventional operations, that is found wanting after nearly 10 years of countersinsurgency work - just ask the commander of the 2nd Infantry Division. Don't get me wrong, the U.S. military is certainly a good force tailored towards stability and counterinsurgency tasks.
You know shit is going bad when even the Chinese is dolling shit out to us, we really need to cut the Defense Budget and live within our means.
[QUOTE]• The article finishes by saying the US has lost the 'exuberant energy and innovation' which had assured its status as a world leader 'for centuries.'[/QUOTE] This is the only point I really would disagree on. We're still high on idealism, I would think given our economy ran down by ideas over reality is obvious of it :v:
[QUOTE=Cuntsman;31569329]The US is not the world's sole superpower[/QUOTE] Actually it is. The US is the only nation currently with the manpower and force projection capablities to be considered a superpower in the common sense. Things are deteriorating however.
thank you, China
shits serious when CHINA tells how to run our shit.
I keep trying to tell myself that people thought the USSR would bomb us and there was no hope, and we got through that. But it's no use really.
I think that china is right on with his. We can cut an enormous amount of spending for our military and still be the #1 spender in it. China just made it 'big' because everyone thinks the same now. We spend to much on stupid shit.
China isn't exactly flawless either, but this article is correct.
[QUOTE=MikeHenderso;31571058]I keep trying to tell myself that people thought the USSR would bomb us and there was no hope, and we got through that. But it's no use really.[/QUOTE] The only problem is that the USSR wasn't batshit crazy enough to start a nuclear war. China is. Luckily, you can't get any money out of a dead country. That's what is saving us at the moment.
[QUOTE=mbreunig91;31569433]They Basically tore down villages and towns in the 70's and set up factories. Now they are getting the same growth that the US is getting at the start of the industrial revolution.[/QUOTE] The difference was that US economy demanded that growth and kept it going. This is forced growth.
Not that china isn't right, but I find it hypocritical that china is advising another nation on political policy when china's domestic policy is terrible.
Of all the oppressive dictatorships China is definitely the best one.
Lots of people have commented on the mention of cutting defense spending, but no one mentioned the part where it said social spending should be cut as well. Opinions?
Just find it a little odd the difference on these forums when Russia tells US to straighten up, as opposed to China, albeit in a different voice under some different circumstances.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;31572976]Lots of people have commented on the mention of cutting defense spending, but no one mentioned the part where it said social spending should be cut as well. Opinions?[/QUOTE] That's what I am curious as well. How much does China spend on its citizens?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;31570674]This is the only point I really would disagree on. We're still high on idealism, I would think given our economy ran down by ideas over reality is obvious of it :v:[/QUOTE] America just needs to return to the mindset of the 50s and the 60s. That was: Invest in math&science so that we can beat the Commies in the tech race We are already ahead, but resting on our success will be our undoing. [editline]6th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=5killer;31577415]That's what I am curious as well. How much does China spend on its citizens?[/QUOTE] They don't, lol.
Idea: RAISE DEFENSE SPENDING!
i'll believe it when i see a more credible source than the chinese propaganda machine. perhaps something with a little authority on economics rather than a loyal heroic patriotic supporter of the working class and the struggle against the imperialist capitalist pig-dogs e: worth bearing in mind that US costs are higher also because they actually spend money on the general welfare of their citizenry
Ofcourse the USAs biggest military rival wants them to cut there defence budget.
[url=http://newsjunkiepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/118020322_f5132e3fba_o-408x336.jpg] I think we can cut some.[/url]
[QUOTE=Tac Error;31570607]The Americans have certainly built up an [i]image[/i] of military superiority. As for their capability to successfully conduct major conventional operations, that is found wanting after nearly 10 years of countersinsurgency work - just ask the commander of the 2nd Infantry Division. Don't get me wrong, the U.S. military is certainly a good force tailored towards stability and counterinsurgency tasks.[/QUOTE]Um, no, the US military could most likely win any conventional war it's in. Fuck, a single carrier group has more firepower than half the world's individual armies, and we have several of them.[QUOTE=areolop;31579296][url=http://newsjunkiepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/118020322_f5132e3fba_o-408x336.jpg] I think we can cut some.[/url][/QUOTE]I totally agree. We've already went through the budget and trimmed a fuckton, asking "why are we spending forty dollars on an eight dollar hammer?" It's that sort of shit that drives our spending to the fucking ceiling, and we still do it. I'm sure there's ways to cut spending and not diminish our fighting capacity.
This must be some kind of a communist hoax to destroy us all. No way China can be let give intelligent advice to 'murrica, this means nuclear war! [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;31579883]"why are we spending forty dollars on an eight dollar hammer?" It's that sort of shit that drives our spending to the fucking ceiling, and we still do it. I'm sure there's ways to cut spending and not diminish our fighting capacity.[/QUOTE] Decreasing your army budget in half would still leave you with half your army which would STILL be the largest in the world. Edit: Stop this fucking military cock measuring contest, china is right and you have nothing to lose by cutting your military budget a little. Edit2: No but what they are saying must be some kind of a devious plan because they are communists and they are the enemy and cannot be trusted.
[QUOTE=Falchion;31580099]perkele[/QUOTE]I agree with you, honestly, but it's kind of fishy that China, of all nations, is bitching about us to cut our defense budget. They could demand we cut our foreign aid, education, anything really but defense? Gee, I wonder why our biggest military rival in the world since the USSR is asking us to cut defense spending!
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;31579883]Um, no, the US military could most likely win any conventional war it's in. Fuck, a single carrier group has more firepower than half the world's individual armies, and we have several of them.[/QUOTE] Don't overstate your own capabilities. As a start, I think it would be good if you read [url=http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryReview/Archives/English/MilitaryReview_20110630_art005.pdf][b]this[/b][/url]. And then, follow it up with: [url=http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/fog/fog.htm]The Fog and Friction of Technology[/url] [url=http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/techy.htm]Bashing The Laser Range Finder With a Rock[/url] [url=http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/Military-Theory-strategy-and-praxis.pdf]Military Theory, Strategy, and Praxis[/url] It doesn't matter how much you can wave your military dick on the basis of equipment alone. The U.S. military has shown that it is incapable of formulating well-defined strategic objectives clearly communicated and approved by its electorate. Without that, it will not be clear on how to deal with a enemy. It has failed to understand the culture, prejudices, goals, and aspirations of either hosts or enemies, and will be unable to communicate effectively with them. And then, collectively, it seems that this axiom has been ignored: [quote]Therefore one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the most skillful. Seizing the enemy without fighting is the most skillful.[/quote]
[QUOTE=areolop;31579296][url=http://newsjunkiepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/118020322_f5132e3fba_o-408x336.jpg] I think we can cut some.[/url][/QUOTE] That was 03'
[QUOTE=lolo;31580534]That was 03'[/QUOTE] considering that we havent made any cuts to defense(at least that im aware of) that means our defense budget is a great deal larger than that graph shows. all your saying is that the graph understates how much we spend
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