[QUOTE=jonnymad;43183064]That's the thing, what is the point of the game without raiding? It wasn't built to be played without, it is a core mechanic. That's why I think it's a dumb idea. And I respectfully disagree with it, like I said, but it was the way he presented it that got me upset.[/QUOTE]
This is what doesn't make any sense. 99% of the people will continue playing by the raiding rules, but someone could build for fun in peace. The core gameplay would not be effected because the core gamers would not go into wardens server.
It sounds like you just don't want someone else to be able to play the game any other way than how you like it.
It's a very limited perspective because leaving that option is literally preventing him from enjoying himself and I can promise you he wouldn't be the only person in the world like that. So there is a customer base albeit small, that would enjoy his style. And that would allow facepunch to make more money, and therefor continue improving the game.
That is how it works. Just like most people don't like hardcore mode on shooters, so they allow you to make custom servers with hardcore mode enabled. It expands interest without hurting the core experience for those that want the core experience.
If you really are knocking an idea because it doesn't benefit you, while it simultaneously would not detract from your experience whatsoever, then you are being extremely narrow minded, and that mindset is literally poisonous to a fanbase.
The more diverse the community the better, and people calling each other kids etc. over something as simple as requesting an option for basically a "peaceful" mod is really crazy.
[QUOTE=mr_sneakyTV;43183148]This is what doesn't make any sense. 99% of the people will continue playing by the raiding rules, but someone could build for fun in peace. The core gameplay would not be effected because the core gamers would not go into wardens server.
It sounds like you just don't want someone else to be able to play the game any other way than how you like it.
It's a very limited perspective because leaving that option is literally preventing him from enjoying himself and I can promise you he wouldn't be the only person in the world like that. So there is a customer base albeit small, that would enjoy his style. And that would allow facepunch to make more money, and therefor continue improving the game.
That is how it works. Just like most people don't like hardcore mode on shooters, so they allow you to make custom servers with hardcore mode enabled. It expands interest without hurting the core experience for those that want the core experience.
If you really are knocking an idea because it doesn't benefit you, while it simultaneously would not detract from your experience whatsoever, then you are being extremely narrow minded, and that mindset is literally poisonous to a fanbase.
The more diverse the community the better, and people calling each other kids etc. over something as simple as requesting an option for basically a "peaceful" mod is really crazy.[/QUOTE]
That's not what I am saying at all, if he wants to go out and host a server with indestructable doors then fine, he can go right ahead, but we don't want it in our servers, especially the official ones, because it would completely ruin the game for us gamers who play the game how is supposed to be played. And what are you talking about narrow-minded? the poll speaks for itself.
[QUOTE=jonnymad;43183171]That's not what I am saying at all, if he wants to go out and host a server with indestructable doors then fine, he can go right ahead, but we don't want it in our servers, especially the official ones, because it would completely ruin the game for us gamers who play the game how is supposed to be played.[/QUOTE]
WHO SAID I WANT IT IN YOUR SERVER?
I ASKED FOR AN OPTION TO TURN ON OR OFF IN SERVER OPTIONS.
I asked for an option that can be turned ON or OFF [B][U]W H E N[/U][/B] you host a server.
Wow, are you really that much of a douchebag?!
[QUOTE=Warden;43183187]WHO SAID I WANT IT IN YOUR SERVER?
I ASKED FOR AN OPTION TO TURN ON OR OFF IN SERVER OPTIONS.
I asked for an option that can be turned ON or OFF [B][U]W H E N[/U][/B] you host a server.
Wow, are you really that much of a douchebag?![/QUOTE]
Quit flaming and be civilized. No one wants this, look at your poll. Just let it go.
[QUOTE=Warden;43183124]are you drunk sir?
i'm not getting rid of your raids,
you can still do it in your own turf.
and i'm not asking for NO PVP.
I love pvp! I just don't want to lose some stuff when i'm offline.
why not? why do you guys hate so much?[/QUOTE]
It's not that I care so much as how I want to play, but the fact that so many people are trying to make the games easier and easier for themselves. Dividing the playerbase even further because you can't stand the difficulty isn't worth it at all. Part of the experience of Rust is realizing that it's unforgiving, then you realize you have to be as ruthless as others.
PvE and indestructable bases while you're offline takes away from that, and makes the game worse off. It's a legitimate strategy to raid a large base when all of it's members are offline - that's how you knock them down a few pegs. The constant biting and biting back is what the game is all about. It's unfair to adjust the core of the game because you and other new people are having trouble, you have to adjust your playstyle and choices, instead.
[QUOTE=Dmaster;43183085]Except it's literally pointless to make such a change, PvE servers are enough if you can't handle the difficulty, even though I dislike them, too.
Getting rid of raiding in Rust is like removing the ability to draw "Xs" in Tic-Tac-Toe.[/QUOTE]
Games become huge because of their mods. And you are ignoring that. The most successful shooter started from a half-life mod.
It would not surprise me if one of these "no raid" servers, attracted builders that started towns and cities, or recreations of New York City etc.
All of these things would expand the game, while we would continue our raid style gameplay. That may even spin off into a separate game/community altogether.
This extremely limited foresight is really disheartening to be honest.
Hmm ok i Agree.Make Metal doors indestrucable.Than i bomb the Rest of the house.Cause i can ;-)
[QUOTE=mr_sneakyTV;43183208]Games become huge because of their mods. And you are ignoring that. The most successful shooter started from a half-life mod.
It would not surprise me if one of these "no raid" servers, attracted builders that started towns and cities, or recreations of New York City etc.
All of these things would expand the game, while we would continue our raid style gameplay. That may even spin off into a separate game/community altogether.
This extremely limited foresight is really disheartening to be honest.[/QUOTE]
No, it would be loaded with griefers who block people in with indestructable doors while the victims cry like children. There are so many reasons it would not work.
[QUOTE=jonnymad;43183171]That's not what I am saying at all, if he wants to go out and host a server with indestructable doors then fine, he can go right ahead, but we don't want it in our servers, especially the official ones, because it would completely ruin the game for us gamers who play the game how is supposed to be played. And what are you talking about narrow-minded? the poll speaks for itself.[/QUOTE]
So am I a retard? It is my understanding that there is NO OPTION FOR HIM TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW.
[editline]14th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=jonnymad;43183222]No, it would be loaded with griefers who block people in with indestructable doors while the victims cry like children. There are so many reasons it would not work.[/QUOTE]
Holy %&*(^#$*(& People that didn't like that style would not join those VERY RARE servers!
[QUOTE=mr_sneakyTV;43183228]So am I a retard? It is my understanding that there is NO OPTION FOR HIM TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW.
[editline]14th December 2013[/editline]
Holy %&*(^#$*(& People that didn't like that style would not join those VERY RARE servers![/QUOTE]
If I didn't know any better, I would think you and OP were the same people on different accounts. No, I am not calling you a retard. I am telling you why it wouldn't be a good idea.
[QUOTE=mr_sneakyTV;43183228]So am I a retard? It is my understanding that there is NO OPTION FOR HIM TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW.[/QUOTE]
I must say, I respect you for helping out.
I wish others would see this idea that way you do.
People needs to see you as a good example since you like Raids, and you are still open minded about letting the other players having fun.
I'm sure that if this on/off feature came out our mad jonny would have tested it just to see, and eventually he would just play it since he's tired of logging in and playing 24/7 in this game, knowing that once he logs out he might lose his gear.
Once you lose all your hard work over and over, you'll understand.
Have fun jonny, I guess you win. go raid bro
[QUOTE=jonnymad;43183256]If I didn't know any better, I would think you and OP were the same people on different accounts. No, I am not calling you a retard. I am telling you why it wouldn't be a good idea.[/QUOTE]
You literally just typed he should go make his own server without destructible doors... THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY POSSIBLE.
His exact request is to be able to make his OWN server with NON-destructible doors.
[QUOTE=Warden;43183261]I must say, I respect you for helping out.
I wish others would see this idea that way you do.
People needs to see you as a good example since you like Raids, and you are still open minded about letting the other players having fun.
I'm sure that if this on/off feature came out our mad jonny would have tested it just to see, and eventually he would just play it since he's tired of logging in and playing 24/7 in this game, knowing that once he logs out he might lose his gear.
Once you all your hard work, you'll understand.
Have fun jonny, I guess you win. go raid bro[/QUOTE]
How long have you even been playing? There are ways to ensure that you don't get raided "every night". Not building a base by resource spawns is one way, or making a multi-leveled/multi-doored base so that it takes considerably more effort to break into.
If the game were impossible, there wouldn't be well-established groups and people.
[QUOTE=mr_sneakyTV;43183280]You literally just typed he should go make his own server without destructible doors... THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY POSSIBLE.
His exact request is to be able to make his OWN server with NON-destructible doors.[/QUOTE]
Mainly, allow one to purchase a server and choose to turn on or off this option. that's it.
so I would play on this type of server:
Sleepers: ON (because I wouldn't mind getting killed outside, but if i'm home and door is locked, i'm safe)
destructible doors: OFF.
and mad jonny would play his type of game:
Sleepers: ON.
DD: ON.
But I guess his too hateful that he don't even want the other part of the community to play.
Again, we're talking about a modded server here. lol
Wait, if people are not supposed to post if they don't agree, then why is there even a "no" option in the poll?
Or more like, why is there even a poll?
Anyway, personally I think in the way the game is right now, there is no point to an option like that.
Those raids are practically the main part of the current gameplay. If you take them out, there is not much left to actually do.
Of course that may change once the game isn't alpha anymore though.
[QUOTE=Death Dragon;43183320]Wait, if people are not supposed to post if they don't agree, then why is there even a "no" option in the poll?
Or more like, why is there even a poll?
Anyway, personally I think in the way the game is right now, there is no point to an option like that.
Those raids are practically the main part of the current gameplay. If you take them out, there is not much left to actually do.
Of course that may change once the game isn't alpha anymore though.[/QUOTE]
Not true.. Some people may just like the game mechanics surrounding the buildings themselves and the crafting.
[QUOTE=Dmaster;43183300]How long have you even been playing? There are ways to ensure that you don't get raided "every night". Not building a base by resource spawns is one way, or making a multi-leveled/multi-doored base so that it takes considerably more effort to break into.
If the game were impossible, there wouldn't be well-established groups and people.[/QUOTE]
Friend, I don't like playing in big groups.
I like playing a few hours a day with 2 of my close friends and having fun.
Gathering stuff, and such.
have you played DayZ Origins?
In Origins, you can wait outside of a house and wait for the guy to come out. if the door is opened, you shoot him and you may go inside and shit in his toilet, and take his stuff while you are at it.
I'm not a fanboy, but i'm saying it over and over. just add that option, not to current servers. just add it, so SOME admins might want to buy a new server, and turn it off.
I know i'd like to play, and i'll have fun.
community is already devided. there are servers everywhere and they have certain rules in them.
So why not adding this one aswell? so I can go play and have fun, stack my items and build a nice house with my two friends?
Are you the only one whos allowed to have fun?
why should I play another game if I already bought this and this is Alpha?
I'm not allowed to ask for something that I want too if it doesn't harm others?
I really don't understand your answers. where is this coming from?
[QUOTE=Warden;43183261]Once you lose all your hard work over and over, you'll understand.[/QUOTE]
It's happened to all of us. Rust is a game about learning from your mistakes, making a better designed house next time, or building it in a better location, etc. There is at least half of the map that 99% of players never go to because resources don't spawn there.
You don't need a group to do any of that.
[QUOTE=mr_sneakyTV;43183340]Not true.. Some people may just like the game mechanics surrounding the buildings themselves and the crafting.[/QUOTE]
Then you're playing the game for the wrong reasons. Bases only serve the purpose to defend yourself and your loot from other players.
[QUOTE=Death Dragon;43183320]Wait, if people are not supposed to post if they don't agree, then why is there even a "no" option in the poll?
Or more like, why is there even a poll?
Anyway, personally I think in the way the game is right now, there is no point to an option like that.
Those raids are practically the main part of the current gameplay. If you take them out, there is not much left to actually do.
Of course that may change once the game isn't alpha anymore though.[/QUOTE]
I edited the main thread already, wasn't thinking right.
[QUOTE=Warden;43183261]I must say, I respect you for helping out.
I wish others would see this idea that way you do.
People needs to see you as a good example since you like Raids, and you are still open minded about letting the other players having fun.
I'm sure that if this on/off feature came out our mad jonny would have tested it just to see, and eventually he would just play it since he's tired of logging in and playing 24/7 in this game, knowing that once he logs out he might lose his gear.
Once you lose all your hard work over and over, you'll understand.
Have fun jonny, I guess you win. go raid bro[/QUOTE]
You think I care about winning? I just want to argue the point that it is not a good idea. I want to raid and be raided, followed by me blowing the raiders away with my shotgun, it is what the game is all about. Also I hardly even play every other day and have been raided in my sleep countless times. I don't really care all that much, I might get upset that it means I gotta start all over, but the games sucks anyway when you have everything you need and have nothing better to do than take pot shots at passerbys.
[QUOTE=jonnymad;43183362]You think I care about winning? I just want to argue the point that it is not a good idea. I want to raid and be raided, followed by me blowing the raiders away with my shotgun, it is what the game is all about.[/QUOTE]
so stay in your own server, did I ever say no to that?
why is it not a good idea? because it's not what you like?
i'm playing on another server, how am i your problem?
[QUOTE=Warden;43183375]so stay in your own server, did I ever say no to that?
why is it not a good idea? because it's not what you like?
i'm playing on another server, how am i your problem?[/QUOTE]
Do I need to spell it out for you again? It will ruin everyone else's experience just so you can get your way. Nobody wants this, and if it gets put in, no one would play anymore since you could just hide in your house like a pussy the whole game and not worry about anything, and that's not the point of rust, it is about surviving and not knowing if you will live to see the morning. Making doors indestructible is easy mode. Like I said much earlier, if you don't like this, you wasted $20, go play Minecraft or CoD.
[QUOTE=jonnymad;43183385]Do I need to spell it out for you again? It will ruin everyone else's experience just so you can get your way. Nobody wants this, and if it gets put in, no one would play anymore since you could just hide in your house like a pussy the whole game and not worry about anything, and that's not the point of rust, it is about surviving and not knowing if you will live to see the morning.[/QUOTE]
how will it ruin the game for others :)?
it's another server, do I need to spell it out for you?
So what if its not the point of the game, still no harm
[QUOTE=Warden;43183399]how will it ruin the game for others :)?
it's another server, do I need to spell it out for you?
So what if its not the point of the game, still no harm[/QUOTE]
Let me argue that then. The servers with it as an option would be empty since everyone else wants to be able to play with raiding, it's essential to resource gathering and a core element of the game. To take that away would upset a large part of the community and be a waste of code, when the devs can be working on better things. If you want it so bad still learn some Unity and make it yourself.
[QUOTE=Warden;43183345]...I really don't understand your answers. where is this coming from?[/QUOTE]
Ever notice that literally all of the developed items in Rust are for fighting/raiding other people? What is with your mighty need to stockpile weapons and armor other than to attack others? You only want this change to powergame and antagonize others while being essentially untouchable when you are most vulnerable.
And don't tell me that you're stockpiling resources ONLY to build, because that's horseshit.
So TC, did you even read what RUST is about before you bought it? Next time think before you act.
[QUOTE=jonnymad;43183409]Let me argue that then. The servers with it as an option would be empty since everyone else wants to be able to play with raiding, it's essential to resource gathering and a core element of the game. To take that away would upset a large part of the community and be a waste of code, when the devs can be working on better things. If you want it so bad still learn some Unity and make it yourself.[/QUOTE]
oh don't worry about me, i know well.
It's not a waste of code. you should to learn some yourself bro, you'll see.
are you really that sure that nobody would play this mod on a certain server?
you really think it will be empty? oh i forgot, whatever you say happens, ok.
so I guess it's just me and 3 more people that might want to play this,
and I guess that it's a waste of code, because you said that coding such option will take too much resources and devs can work on some thing else.
:)
[QUOTE=Dmaster;43183437]Ever notice that literally all of the developed items in Rust are for fighting/raiding other people? What is with your mighty need to stockpile weapons and armor other than to attack others? You only want this change to powergame and antagonize others while being essentially untouchable when you are most vulnerable.
And don't tell me that you're stockpiling resources ONLY to build, because that's horseshit.[/QUOTE]
I feel unbelievably stupid for not bringing this up! This is absolutely true as well.
[editline]14th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Warden;43183447]oh don't worry about me, i know well.
It's not a waste of code. you should to learn some yourself bro, you'll see.
are you really that sure that nobody would play this mod on a certain server?
you really think it will be empty? oh i forgot, whatever you say happens, ok.
so I guess it's just me and 3 more people that might want to play this,
and I guess that it's a waste of code, because you said that coding such option will take too much resources and devs can work on some thing else.
:)[/QUOTE]
Never said what I say goes, I am just telling you why it wont work, why you can't get it through your thick skull I do not know.
[QUOTE=angrysully;43183442]So TC, did you even read what RUST is about before you bought it? Next time think before you act.[/QUOTE]
k, next time.
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