Will crosshair cheaters be banned? - Rust

[QUOTE=Valorx;43655016]You can't quote half of my thought process there.... I followed that up with.... That would LIMIT social interaction, which NO dev team for an online game EVER tries to do.[/QUOTE] They were different premises. One is that third-party software is an essential part of social interaction (I would argue it's not, see above) the other is that no dev of an online game should ever try to limit the above. The latter may in fact be true and I'm not necessarily advocating that they do but it should still be regarded as a form of cheating (if you don't think it's cheating you should probably consider my earlier question as to why the in-game voice is designed as it is).

[QUOTE=Ebrim;43655049]They were different premises. One is that third-party software is an essential part of social interaction (I would argue it's not, see above) the other is that no dev of an online game should ever try to limit the above. The latter may in fact be true and I'm not necessarily advocating that they do but it should still be regarded as a form of cheating.[/QUOTE] The answer to what you want, which I've seen in past games, is to find a server/community that is non-VOIP based. Some groups want to intentionally not be on VOIP. They prefer listening to music or whatever. That is what this game allows, people to choose that. What you are advocating is too widespread and I could go into the game/social design of online gaming for hours about why I believe your logic is a flawed approach to an entire game. Instead, I will simply leave it at the above. I've seen those communities before and understand why they exist and it sounds like the perfect concept for you... just not for the whole game.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;43654852]Crosshair's already pretty much useless since they added the lazy aim cone, all crosshairs do are help you aim with a bow and get a general idea of where you're aiming. People who use crosshairs didn't kill your family, quit getting mad.[/QUOTE] That's what I was saying... Only a Dumb would try to put a crosshair in this game, thinking it will help LOL. For the others: Try a gun with a laser and don't aim, move your mouse slowly around, you will realize crossair is just a stupid idea here :rock: [B]Keep Cool[/B]

[QUOTE=Ebrim;43652932]Using a crosshair is lame and you should be publicly shamed if you're doing it. I feel the same about not using in-game VOIP. It has an audible proximity for a reason, to enhance gameplay. All you're doing is making the game less fun by introducing rules that are not part of it. When you play Monopoly you can't just bring your own money to the table and use it for in-game currency.[/QUOTE] Agreed.

My monitor has such great dental hygiene, it flosses more than I do.

[QUOTE=cyclohexanol;43651503]You have to really fucking suck at life to not be able to shoot without a crosshair.[/QUOTE] If that's the case why don't people noscope effectively in any game that allows no-scoping, or why don't people get consistent headshots all the time? Aiming Down Sights is a crosshair. You need a crosshair of some sort in any FPS. Prove me wrong. Show me a clip of you killing someone at long range with no crosshairs, sights, or anything. Unless you are a god at making sure a group of five pixels lines up perfectly in the center of your screen, it's impossible.

Just add sway to the weapons when shooting from the hip, like when you look left your gun moves more to the left of the screen and also shoots more left, or when you look right its vice versa. Kind of like in ARMA. This way any crosshairs put on the screen will be inaccurate.

There's not really a way to stop it. If you manage to stop people injecting into the game with their overlays, they'll sellotape string to their screen.

[QUOTE=zootylicious;43658710]There's not really a way to stop it. If you manage to stop people injecting into the game with their overlays, they'll sellotape string to their screen.[/QUOTE] I think you're right, there's no definitive policing type action that would prevent people from doing this. However if we all agree it's cheating that in itself will deter a great many. While there are always annoying people, the majority will not want their victories robbed of them in the knowledge that they are in fact, cheating. I know I wouldn't. Remember old platform games when things were hard and if you ran out of lives you were done? If you told someone you beat one of those games but you had to use an infinite lives code (which anybody could use) to do it, they'd tell you didn't actually beat it. The same principle applies here.

[QUOTE=greatvalue;43651409]I'm hesitant to explain exactly how they do it on an open forum, but there are a lot of people using a crosshair overlay in Rust right now. The program they're using is really popular among gamers and its normal ingame overlay is for legitimate things not directly related to the gameplay. Some people figured out how use it to place a dot at the center of their screen to create a crosshair. Since the program they're using is used by so many legitimate players and because it's use has never triggered a VAC ban before, I'm curious if VAC is capable of detecting them crosshair cheating with it. I'd very much like to see these cheaters dealt with.[/QUOTE] I've spoken with many people who have taken clear tape, and put a dot on it as a crosshair. I tried this and I didn't like it for the guns but loved it for the bow. When firing from the hip your bullets won't go to the crosshair because your arm has some area to move which is why, even with a crosshair, I was still using a lazer sight. If you right click to look down the gun then my bullets would go to my crosshair but i'm right clicking to give myself a crosshair by looking down the sight of the gun so i wound up taking off the tape.

[QUOTE=guily6669;43655203]That's what I was saying... Only a Dumb would try to put a crosshair in this game, thinking it will help LOL. For the others: Try a gun with a laser and don't aim, move your mouse slowly around, you will realize crossair is just a stupid idea here :rock: [B]Keep Cool[/B][/QUOTE] Are you saying that weapon sway makes crosshairs ineffective? This is untrue, because the third-party crosshairs that I have seen on streams stay in the (adjusted) center of the screen regardless of weapon sway (you can actually see the crosshair fighting against the weapon sway graphically, repositioning itself slightly, pixel by pixel, every time weapon sway occurs) and allows people to no-scope with the Bolt Action Rifle with ease. They are smart crosshairs, basically. Unless Punkbuster is enabled, I don't see third-party crosshairs being banned, and you can't ban tape on the screen, as others have pointed out. It sucks, and it does give an advantage over vanilla players, especially if the crosshair player is already a good player, but I don't think there is anything you can do about it.

[QUOTE=cknoob;43658871]Unless Punkbuster is enabled, I don't see third-party crosshairs being banned, and you can't ban tape on the screen, as others have pointed out. It sucks, and it does give an advantage over vanilla players, especially if the crosshair player is already a good player, but I don't think there is anything you can do about it.[/QUOTE] the advantage is so only with the bow. If the non crosshair player has a lazer scope then having a crosshair is a disadvantage.

[QUOTE=iamcpc;43658916]the advantage is so only with the bow. If the non crosshair player has a lazer scope then having a crosshair is a disadvantage.[/QUOTE] I would disagree. Have you used one or seen them in action? You can no scope people with Bolt Action Rifles no problem. Even if you get close to somebody with a Bolt Action, which should be a disadvantage for the BAR user, they still hit you without any effort.

[QUOTE=cknoob;43658937]I would disagree. Have you used one or seen them in action? You can no scope people with Bolt Action Rifles no problem. Even if you get close to somebody with a Bolt Action, which should be a disadvantage for the BAR user, they still hit you without any effort.[/QUOTE] This is simply not true. When you move your mouse your arm can move without your screen moving so that, when you shoot, your bullet does not hit the crosshair when firing from the hip. I repeat your bullet does not hit the crosshair when firing from the hip. When firing from the hip the bullet will go to whever the lazer scope points. Go ahead, get some tape, put it on your monitor, put a dot on the tape and try it. I did and my bullets were going anywhere BUT the crosshair unless i scoped. When I scoped it was like getting a crosshair.

[QUOTE=iamcpc;43659159]This is simply not true. When you move your mouse your arm can move without your screen moving so that, when you shoot, your bullet does not hit the crosshair when firing from the hip. I repeat your bullet does not hit the crosshair when firing from the hip. When firing from the hip the bullet will go to whever the lazer scope points. Go ahead, get some tape, put it on your monitor, put a dot on the tape and try it. I did and my bullets were going anywhere BUT the crosshair unless i scoped. When I scoped it was like getting a crosshair.[/QUOTE] You missed the part about third-party programs correcting for this. The program adjusts the crosshair accordingly. I REPEAT The program adjusts the crosshair. (lol). EDIT: However, I guess it's less of an issue now that the Laser Sight is fixed for the Bolt Action, which makes no scoping very easy w/ vanilla.

Holo Sight = win.

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Just to make clear for people that might get the wrong idea : He's not talking about hack that add crosshair. Hacks will always get you banned no matter how simply they are :v .

"why did you get VAC banned?" "I put some tape on my screen" Yes, this is how stupid your argument is...

A easy and reasonable solution would be to permanently ban everyone that opens the game, because without players there would be no cheaters.

[QUOTE=nbezerk;46355675]A easy and reasonable solution would be to permanently ban everyone that opens the game, because without players there would be no cheaters.[/QUOTE] Now we're thinking! #Solutions

[QUOTE=crosshairover;46354677]You can use my stickers to get a bonus crosshair without any chance of being caught. [URL]http://crosshairoverlay.com[/URL][/QUOTE] Dude, stop necroing year old cross-hair threads to promote your product. You did this on another dead crosshair thread like 2 minutes ago. EDIT: Hm, his post is gone now, in fact its like he never existed in any threads.

[QUOTE=ezkl;43653331]We can't change the FOV, but if we could that'd be great - a lot of motion sick gamers are not playing this game simply because the fov cannot be changed[/QUOTE] You can change FOV using console commands

Blue tac on screen = instant vac ban

[QUOTE=Ebrim;43652932]Using a crosshair is lame and you should be publicly shamed if you're doing it. I feel the same about not using in-game VOIP. It has an audible proximity for a reason, to enhance gameplay. All you're doing is making the game less fun by introducing rules that are not part of it. When you play Monopoly you can't just bring your own money to the table and use it for in-game currency.[/QUOTE] Yeah I can, I hide it in the pocket until mid-game and then i sneak it into the pack , voila Saying that using TS ruins the game is a bit too much. If you want that kind of stuff found a RP server and impose that rule but there will be no way to know if people will respect it or not(and they won't)

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It's a fact that real soldiers in war time tape stickers to their actual eyeballs to make sure their hip fire is much more accurate. Absolute fact. And if I was in Rust in real life, I would find a way to glue something to my eye ball to get this very fair advantage over other players trying to natural eye it.

[QUOTE=thelionnessa;46361107]It's a fact that real soldiers in war time tape stickers to their actual eyeballs to make sure their hip fire is much more accurate. Absolute fact. And if I was in Rust in real life, I would find a way to glue something to my eye ball to get this very fair advantage over other players trying to natural eye it.[/QUOTE] This isn't real life. War is never fair.

[QUOTE=cwzy;43651556]no there are too many ways to do it, they should just add an optional crosshair to the game[/QUOTE] yea i agree, how do you ban nvidia cards from doing it right out the box? you just ban nvidia or what lol?

You could just use a dry erase marker