Im not entirely sure how tping to a player is griefing. It could be used to raid or give info to others yeah, and that would be, but just following them to see if they are going alright doesnt seem like a problem.
that said, it sounds like the player has had bad experiences, or was trying to cheat, or was worried the admin was gonna kill him. But honestly, he just spawned. What did he have to take?:)
might be worth considering invisible next time and chatting. Either way though, players who are fine with it will stay and those who arent will leave...it will sort itself out.
If I joined a server and someone teleported to me right away, I'd just leave. Wouldn't call it 'admin abuse', I just don't like it. Same as in real life I hate security cameras more than the risk of getting mugged.
Especially security cameras that talk to me.
[QUOTE=ArthurSataine;44859488]Ok. I'm an admin on a friend's server. I'm the regular admin. We allow pvp, raiding and all that good stuff. However, we don't tolerate excessive and targeted griefing of newbies. It is rare we have to deal with that so it isn't a big deal.
Alright, new player joined. I teleported to him to see what he was up to and to greet him to the server. Bear in mind I'm "naked" without even weapons. I did have godmode on just in case he attacked me. I wasn't there for a fight. He suicided. I teleported again and asked him why. He suicided again. So I continued to be courteous and converse, and he continued to suicide. On his last time he said, "No wonder nobody is on this server with this admin abuse." Then he logged off.
So my question, how exactly is this admin abuse? Nonthreatening, trying to talk to him. He doesn't even have a base yet to be worried about me finding it. So I just completely fail to understand what he was on about.
Can anyone elaborate?[/QUOTE]
You shouldn't teleport to just to talk to them. Talk with them on chat. People don't want an admin teleporting to them and harassing them. If he suicided, clearly he didn't want to talk to you.
[QUOTE=Icenine4459;44867854]If they are hacking they can see you while you are in your invisible suit. It shows a nameplate above admins even though they can't see you and the aimbot still gets directed towards admins.[/QUOTE]
With Rust Essentials /vanish, after you relog, it makes you completely invisible, no names and your name does not show with /players.
[QUOTE=TwistedTryce;44867972]Just to be as asinine in return. Garry should boot people from the game all together for complaining about admins on private servers. lol[/QUOTE]
Without people complaining about abusive server admins how would we ever convince garry to implement additional tools to detect abusive server admins? His statement wasn't asinine, just misinformed. Yours was pretty confrontational though.
[QUOTE=Zipper Bear;44884247]Without people complaining about abusive server admins how would we ever convince garry to implement additional tools to detect abusive server admins?[/QUOTE]
You already have tools to detect abusive server admins. They're called eyes, ears and a brain.
8/10 times it's pretty easy to tell in the first couple of minutes (even seconds) if a server is poorly managed - and the other 2/10 usually show their spots soon enough. Now, if they'd make a tool to easily detect which servers had GOOD server admins, then you'd be onto something.
It isnt really admin abuse more of an annoyance. You probably should have left him alone the first time he killed himself. As an admin you can see new players on your server, you should have really just spoken to him before automatically tp-ing to him. A lot of people don't like that. I'd leave the server too. Next time send a notice.popupall "welcome message" rather than pestering new players.
Yeah I don't see why you would even think it's an amazing idea to only have official servers. It would be dumb if there's only official servers full of hackers and Griefers etc, I really like having a bunch of servers( especially South African ones ) that have various options alike arrow recovery,no c4 no Pvp no raiding etc so I just don't see your point in having no private servers
IMO...
Here's the thing: administrative powers exist primarily to monitor and administrate. An on-duty admin should be [B]unseen[/B] and for the most part [B]unheard[/B] until requested or if action is needed. You're not a Walmart greeter. You're not Mayor McCheese.
Admins who teleport around while visible, or build huge temples from which to look out and adjudicate, or talk to players using Server Console are doing so primarily for reasons relating to ego, regardless of what good intentions they may have. What good is having admin powers if you can't show them off and cruise the strip, right? It does absolutely nothing but break the game immersion, and justifications like "new player help" or "reassuring players of active admins" are insufficient as these things can all be accomplished by simpler and more professional means.
Most of the best-run servers I've played on... I couldn't even tell you who the admins were.
[QUOTE=Murdo;44923235]IMO...
Here's the thing: administrative powers exist primarily to monitor and administrate. An on-duty admin should be [B]unseen[/B] and for the most part [B]unheard[/B] until requested or if action is needed. You're not a Walmart greeter. You're not Mayor McCheese.
Admins who teleport around while visible, or build huge temples from which to look out and adjudicate, or talk to players using Server Console are doing so primarily for reasons relating to ego, regardless of what good intentions they may have. What good is having admin powers if you can't show them off and cruise the strip, right? It does absolutely nothing but break the game immersion, and justifications like "new player help" or "reassuring players of active admins" are insufficient as these things can all be accomplished by simpler and more professional means.
Most of the best-run servers I've played on... I couldn't even tell you who the admins were.[/QUOTE]
I think this is a silly assumption to make about how servers should be run. It's one thing to actively play on a server that you own (depends on the person and the population) but it's entirely different to just sit there in silence and not talk to anyone.
I was a very active admin on my server (and the only one) and I think the people appreciated that I was friendly and welcoming and helped them out (to understand the game, not to give them stuff). I was honest and told everyone what I was doing and I even teleported around to players when they joined to look for hackers. If someone made a stink about it then I just explained what I was doing and the other players backed me up and it always worked itself out.
Admins just need to be honest and transparent in what they're doing. If the players are aware of what's going on then there doesn't need to be all of these dramatic issues.
[QUOTE=ArthurSataine;44859488]Ok. I'm an admin on a friend's server. I'm the regular admin. We allow pvp, raiding and all that good stuff. However, we don't tolerate excessive and targeted griefing of newbies. It is rare we have to deal with that so it isn't a big deal.
Alright, new player joined. I teleported to him to see what he was up to and to greet him to the server. Bear in mind I'm "naked" without even weapons. I did have godmode on just in case he attacked me. I wasn't there for a fight. He suicided. I teleported again and asked him why. He suicided again. So I continued to be courteous and converse, and he continued to suicide. On his last time he said, "No wonder nobody is on this server with this admin abuse." Then he logged off.
So my question, how exactly is this admin abuse? Nonthreatening, trying to talk to him. He doesn't even have a base yet to be worried about me finding it. So I just completely fail to understand what he was on about.
Can anyone elaborate?[/QUOTE]
you're teleporting to a player and bothering him when he does not want to be bothered. When he suicides to get away from you then you proceed to abuse your admin powers, teleport to him, and continue to harass him.
[QUOTE=Sievers808;44924321]It's one thing to actively play on a server that you own (depends on the person and the population) but it's entirely different to just sit there in silence and not talk to anyone.[/QUOTE]
You're probably not understanding what I mean by "on-duty" admin. Talking about the game, talking about the server, helping newbies, being a chatty Cathy on the public channel... absolutely none of these things requires the use of administrative powers.
To reiterate my opinion: when an admin wants to monitor players and look for hackers, it's best done while invisible, unseen and unheard. Teleporting in to new arrivals and having to explain yourself is inefficient and unnecessary, and in most cases (not all obviously) it has more to do with wanting to be seen wearing the spiffy sheriff's outfit.
All that aside, I agree that an admin should be transparent when actions have the possibility of impacting other players.
On our pvp server, the server owner just finished a plugin that toggles publicly in chat when an admin is entering "Player Mode" and Admin Mode" and explains that while in "Admin Mode" all admin commands are disabled. (the only exceptions to this are admin chat and /adminhelp. so admins can communicate and see when a player is requesting help)
Problem solved, if your an admin and wanna play, go ahead. If someone needs help, switch it out and help them. And of course people will still accuse admins of abusing power still, but let me ask, if we where going to abuse power, why would we go to so many lengths to remove confusion?
[QUOTE=Sievers808;44924321]I think this is a silly assumption to make about how servers should be run. It's one thing to actively play on a server that you own (depends on the person and the population) but it's entirely different to just sit there in silence and not talk to anyone.
I was a very active admin on my server (and the only one) and I think the people appreciated that I was friendly and welcoming and helped them out (to understand the game, not to give them stuff). I was honest and told everyone what I was doing and I even teleported around to players when they joined to look for hackers. If someone made a stink about it then I just explained what I was doing and the other players backed me up and it always worked itself out.
Admins just need to be honest and transparent in what they're doing. If the players are aware of what's going on then there doesn't need to be all of these dramatic issues.[/QUOTE]
besides which, you will end up with players who suit your method of administration eventually. some people like active admins who ban every supposed hacker in sight. some prefer mister invisible, or the merchant king of the hill. players who don't like your admin method will leave, those who do will stay.
ssshimples:)
I wouldn't want someone to creep on me as I join, I didn't come here to chit-chat and get a free present.
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